Quiters! I hate them.

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glamdring27 wrote:

Resignation is the end.

resignation is stupid.You know people who resign are afraid of losing with is bad for you

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How can you be afraid of losing if you resign?!  Resigning is accepting defeat.  Playing to the end is being afraid of losing!

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glamdring27 wrote:

How can you be afraid of losing if you resign?!  Resigning is accepting defeat.  Playing to the end is being afraid of losing!

that is wrong.Playing to the end is good because it helps you because your still gonna lose if you resign!!If you play to the end then you might get a draw!In plus, you get no benefit by resigning.

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You get the benefit of not wasting your time.  Their time is important to some people!

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glamdring27 wrote:

You get the benefit of not wasting your time.  Their time is important to some people!

yeah but next time you know what to play if your in that position when your on the winning side!That does not happen when you resign because you've already done it/you've already resigned!The only time that is good for you to resign is when your opponent can do checkmate on you the next turn no matter what.

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All this time, I thought we were talking about quilters...

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How many times do you end up in a resignable position and then end up on the other side of the exact same position where you would not know how to win it without having seen how your opponent beat you?!  Precisely zero.

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a lot because you know the position!You can use it(unless you got no brain)

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But my opponent would have to play exactly as bad as I did to be on the resignable end of whatever position it is.  And if it is a position I considered resignable when I was in it then in the 1 in a million chance that I happen to be on the better end of exactly the same position I really doubt I would need past experience to win a position in which my opponent might as well resign.

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Wouldn't playing to the end at least be practice? If one continuously quits a game because they aren't winning are they not learning? I have learned more from losing than I ever have from winning!

Avatar of glamdring27

Well, if your position is resignable you already made the big mistakes.  Go back and learn from those instead of trying to learn from what happens when you are 3 pieces down!

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I make big mistakes every game. That's why playing to the end teaches me! Heck I've been down to a knight and the queen and pulled the W. That's why I will always play to the end, Quitting is just not in my playbook,even though it is what the"vast majority of chess players do". Maybe I'm cut from a different cloth where quitting isn't an option!

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Well if you keep losing anyway it's an irrelevant difference!

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How's that? By losing comes knowledge! Did Edison,or Tesla give up after something failed? No they learned from their experience and moved on.

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If a position is one that is considered resignable then you have plenty to learn from how you got to that position in the first place.  If you learn from that you won't get into that situation again which would mean that what you learn, if anything, after that point if not especially useful anyway.  If it is useful it implies you learned nothing from your more important mistakes earlier in the game if you end up in the same hopeless position again.

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So your saying being a quitter is a good thing? Sorry that's not the cloth I'm cut from, I am not a quitter and I never will be. To me maybe more of chess players shouldn't be quitters.  Given up and throwing in the towel is just not part of who i am. Maybe it is for the vast majority of chess players,just not me. If the vast majority want to and are comfortable with being a quitter then that's on you'll. Like myself there are people that play this game that have a pride in themselves and won't quit anything no matter the odds! If you are comfortable in your own skin by quitting then that's fine, But to me I'll never be satisfied with myself for quitting. I'll always look back on it and call myself a quitter which is completely unacceptable to me.  That's how I personally feel. If you feel different that's fine, Just not how I feel.

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I don't take pride in losing.  Whether I resigned or got checkmated makes no difference.  A loss is a loss, however you dress it up and however long you dragged it out for.  I'll just go play another game in the time it takes you to not quit your first one and I'll hopefully ave a more interesting and successful second game after resigning my first rather than ploughing on in a hopeless and boring position with 0 chances of winning.

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"So your saying being a quitter is a good thing?"

I think he answer to your question depends on your definition of "quitter"  At your level, i absolutely would not quit a game, because stalemate is always a possibility.  So by your definition, and GM that resigns a game is a quitter?

"Like myself there are people that play this game that have a pride in themselves and won't quit anything no matter the odds!"

This just smacks of that "Lead, follow, or get out of the way" mentality.  Nike and their "Just do it"  abortion. 

One year at a tournament in Reno, Nevada.  This guy was down to his King, against the opponents King, and Rook.  We are talking about 2 B class players here, so they know what they are doing.  The guy with just the Rook would not resign, took his time using as much of the clock as he could.  When he was finally mated (it was the last game of the day, and the next round started early) someone asked him:  "Why didn't you just resign?"  The answer: "I knew i couldn't win, so i wanted to make him stay up as late as possible, so he will be tired for the morning round" 

Thats not "pride", that's selfishness.

Avatar of glamdring27

If it's a tournament that's a valid strategy, though not one I would employ because I'd have to play it out for that length of time and stay up later too!

Avatar of Voguing

Well usually players just resign and don't quit. At least when I lose, I don't disconnect immediately after losing a major piece. I try to win it back in 3 to 5 moves and if that doesn't work out then yes I resign. Even proffesional players don't continue the game after being down a lot of material. Besides your rating is really low so you mostly get paired up against players who potentially get really frustrated and rage quit!

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