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It's just interesting to me how someone who can't think clearly when it comes to some issues can (apparently) think clearly when playing chess.

Also, kinda of admirable to not cheat when betting $500 against a stranger... maybe I just expect the worst of people.

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He is crazy. And he has very uh problematic views on a lot of things. He has provided the chess world with a lot of content, silly forum posts, videos and more, dating back to early 2000s at least, but you have to throw it all away as advice and approach it as entertainment, if possible

Kislik was mentioned earlier in this thread and he’s not a role model either… sad.png

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llama, send me $500 and i'll play you straight.

everyone else, send me $100 and i'll divulge the 'secret' of chess.

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Well... let me change that... I don't expect the worst in people, it's just about 1/2 of the strangers who randomly message me for games cheat against me meh.png

So if people who don't know me cheat over unimportant games, it's kind of amazing this Ray guy didn't cheat to boost his rating a measly few points to win a bet against someone he hated.

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AlCzervik wrote:

llama, send me $500 and i'll play you straight.

Nah, you're a bit of a fruit.

Can I make that joke on the regular forums?

(he knows I'm kidding)

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llama47 wrote:

Holy crap... this guy basically never premoves.

I was looking at his games on lichess and I noticed he was using a lot of time in the opening (consistently about 10 seconds for the first 10 moves) which led me to check the move times... he'll premove things like recaptures, but he doesn't seem to premove otherwise.

That's a huge handicap IMO.

Looking at some of your games, when you're going fast, you're getting to around move 15-20 having only used 10 seconds, which is what I'd expect.

Yeah, he is old and slow, so certainly not a hardcore "bullet specialist" even though that's basically all he plays. His USCF is supposedly 1899 from back in the 90's. I think he peaked around 2000. This is going off what he told me. I couldn't find him using the USCF player search (his real name is actually Gordon Roy Parker). If I had to guess I'd say he'd still be around that range, I guess a ~300ish point gap between OTB and lichess bullet is reasonable for someone like him?

 

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rune_raider wrote:

>Kislik was mentioned earlier in this thread and he’s not a role model either…

Whats wrong with him? lol

IM Kislik is known for making hundreds of sockpuppet accounts to mass report bad reviews for his book on amazon and harass everyone who says a bad word about him on various platforms. NM @Logoczar said it got so bad he was considering taking legal action.

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rune_raider wrote:

he mentioned something about how ray was being watched overnight or something like that but maybe that just means on lichess at first i thought it meant camera but im probably wrong

Yeah, I was just spectating his games on lichess for a few hours. It turned into quite a fun event since I had money on the line. wink.png Sort of like watching football while gambling.

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Steven-ODonoghue wrote:

Yeah, he is old and slow, so certainly not a hardcore "bullet specialist" even though that's basically all he plays. His USCF is supposedly 1899 from back in the 90's. I think he peaked around 2000. This is going off what he told me. I couldn't find him using the USCF player search (his real name is actually Gordon Roy Parker). If I had to guess I'd say he'd still be around that range, I guess a ~300ish point gap between OTB and lichess bullet is reasonable for someone like him?

 

Ok, maybe not hardcore, but what was it... 18,000 bullet games and 20 blitz games? I'd say he's a specialist tongue.png

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llama47 wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

llama, send me $500 and i'll play you straight.

Nah, you're a bit of a fruit.

Can I make that joke on the regular forums?

(he knows I'm kidding)

fruit or not, send the cash!

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llama47 wrote:

Ok, maybe not hardcore, but what was it... 18,000 bullet games and 20 blitz games? I'd say he's a specialist

And only 1300 blitz after 20 games... losing many games to 1200s. That's weird. Even though he only plays bullet I have to wonder how strong he would be at blitz if he actually tried. He is poor at premoving and loses many games on time, so surely that should be a benefit for him, no?

I found his ICC account where he has a 5 minute rating of 2035 which is even higher than his bullet rating of 1946, although I don't really know where ICC ratings stand or what that would equate to on chess.com or another site? By the way, googling "AlphaZeroDark30" gives this funny thread where Ray threatened to sue you and drmrboss 3 years ago tongue.png

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/what-should-a-10-11-year-olds-rating-be?page=4

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rune_raider wrote:

i think you guys are all uneducated about chess politics

"chess politics"? 

i bet you're the life of the office christmas party.

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rune_raider wrote:

the sockpuppet accounts are according to logozar, but logozar has proven himself not a good rolemodel...

first he cheated in chess.com puzzles and got his rating reset, and the purpose was to better sell his chessable courses

second he gathered people like vishnu sukreemar and i believe david millern (correct me if im wrong) to 1-star kislik's book. i read somewhere kislik got like 8 fraudulent reviews taken down and 7 were logozar's (he got banned from reviewing kislik's book on amazon)

third kislik has thousands of posts up online and they're all well-written and well-liked. by serious authorities, like nunn or kramnik. seems like a better role model than anyone else in this industry of shotgun-poster titled players...

i think logozar was just saying anyone who criticizes him must be kislik himself

FWIW I've purchased material from both Kislik and Logozar and I was much more impressed with the latter. Regarding the sockpuppet amazon situation, you probably know more about it  than I do, I don't want to take sides. But the original question was "what is wrong with him?" and I think whether or not Logozar's claims are true it is clear that some people have a reason to have a problem with Kislik.

rune_raider wrote:

first he cheated in chess.com puzzles and got his rating reset, and the purpose was to better sell his chessable courses

Really? That's interesting...

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Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
llama47 wrote:

Ok, maybe not hardcore, but what was it... 18,000 bullet games and 20 blitz games? I'd say he's a specialist

And only 1300 blitz after 20 games... losing many games to 1200s. That's weird. Even though he only plays bullet I have to wonder how strong he would be at blitz if he actually tried. He is poor at premoving and loses many games on time, so surely that should be a benefit for him, no?

I found his ICC account where he has a 5 minute rating of 2035 which is even higher than his bullet rating of 1946, although I don't really know where ICC ratings stand or what that would equate to on chess.com or another site? By the way, googling "AlphaZeroDark30" gives this funny thread where Ray threatened to sue you and drmrboss 3 years ago

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/what-should-a-10-11-year-olds-rating-be?page=4

Let's see, digging up some old info...

Back in 2016 I'd played ~40 games in ICC's 5 minute pool and had a rating of 1800.

The pools were harder than regular seeks... I was... roughly the same rating on chess.com I think.

I don't think I ever had a rating over 2000 on ICC, but also I didn't play often (or after 2016 that I recall). But that's a better reference than nothing I guess.

And  yeah, I remember running into that guy a few years ago in that topic.

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Yeah, ICC...

See back in the old days, n00bs like me would play on Yahoo!

"Real" players played on sites like ICC, Playchess, and FICS.

So there I am, having never even read a single chess book, just derping around in some online games, eventually I get to something like 1400-1500 on Yahoo! and my chess engine (which weren't free back then, you had to purchase them and they came on a CD in the mail) has a free trial of Playchess.

Oh, that's another thing, you had to pay to play on sites with good players (although FICS was free). So getting a free trial of Playchess was nice.

So I go to Playchess and it lets you enter your starting rating. So I thought ok, I'll put 1500.

I played maybe 3 games and got destroyed. I was playing real 1500s, not the fake Yahoo! 1500s who were probably pretty close to beginner level.

Years later I went to ICC was was frustrated that I could only get to 1700, but at least at that point I knew what to expect.

I guess these days players experience something similar when switching from lichess to chess.com... classical lichess 1500 is like 800 chess.com blitz or something right grin.png (I don't actually know).

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rune_raider wrote:

Yeah look https://www.chess.com/stats/puzzles/logoczar 465 but highest rating 3970 (which is borderline non-human anyway, i mean its possible if its like nakamura taking 10 minutes per puzzle but he solved so many in only 98 hours and is only NM and his puzzle cheating has been documented before and that link alone is strong evidence just set the graph to all-time)

What are you talking about?

Another friend of mine, whose identity is not too hard to figure out but who I'll just refer to by his chesscom handle 2012VAChamp, has a puzzle rating over 10,000.

I know how he did it, and he didn't cheat whatsoever, unless you consider chesscom's system being silly to be cheating. 

The fact of the matter is for a long time there were a finite, not crazy number of chesscom high-rated puzzles and a lot of them were famous studies and if you knew them you knew them. 

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What's your credential btw? Are you just a person who tries to follow chess drama or do you actually know all of these people like I do...

I don't think usually if someone writes a bad review for something that they should expect many of their other reviews for completely unrelated products to be flagged and deleted, or for their parents' music to be spammed with negative comments. 

FWIW if I make a list of people who have seen/dealt with this stuff who you might have heard of, several of them don't like each other and aren't really on speaking terms, so any theory that some group of people are in cahoots against EK for no reason at all kinda goes out the window, but anyway

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As for Ray Gordon, I think he gives us all something to aspire not to be. 

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he speaks too much yet shows a little.. 

give me money and i'll give you the wisdom of the universe.. never is a logical claim.

his house.. is mostly empty he definately needs money.. why doesnt he join super gms and win tournaments instead of selling it on youtube..

last world championship paid 800k dollars to even losing challenger.. and 1.2m to the winner.

no one would sell the goose that laid the golden eggs..

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rune_raider wrote:
dpnorman wrote:

What's your credential btw? Are you just a person who tries to follow chess drama or do you actually know all of these people like I do...

I don't think usually if someone writes a bad review for something that they should expect many of their other reviews for completely unrelated products to be flagged and deleted, or for their parents' music to be spammed with negative comments. 

FWIW if I make a list of people who have seen/dealt with this stuff who you might have heard of, several of them don't like each other and aren't really on speaking terms, so any theory that some group of people are in cahoots against EK for no reason at all kinda goes out the window, but anyway

Your post is so stupid. So just because some guy spreads a rumor, any criticism against it gets thrown out of the window?

Destructive rumors get spread all the time.

I don’t feel like you phrased that in a way that makes sense but anyway. I know the lore and have been in these VCs and have seen the receipts and talked to all these people and you don’t/haven’t. You are a rando watching from afar. So it’s hard for me to put much stock into what you have to say 🤷