Resignation Etiquette

Criminy, this post just won't end.

OK, here's what you do. When you see you can't win, just pick up the pieces and start throwing them as hard as you can at your opponent while yelling obscenities. Then stomp away claiming the other person cheated.

Did I manage to say something that nobody else has on this post? Just asking, because I think that everything that can be said on this topic, has been said... except perhaps that.

Dahan wrote: Criminy, this post just won't end.

"If I am correct, this topic - and ones like it - are a measure of the health of chess.com - its blood pressure, if you like. The existence of this topic - and its precedecessors and successors - indicates that there is both a sufficient supply of 'newbies' to whom this topic is fresh - and an adequate residue of 'oldies' - to whom this topic is stale. I predict catastrophic consequences for chess.com if this topic were ever to die out completely."  http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/those-who-refuse-to-resign-when-they-are-completely-lost?page=8

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Dahan wrote: OK, here's what you do. When you see you can't win, just pick up the pieces and start throwing them as hard as you can

My browser (I'm using IE7) won't let me do that. Which browser are you using?

Since I just swindeled two draws on livechess by stalemate, I am not one for giving up quickly. This however depends greatly on the person I'm playing with, in what kind of mood I am, and severe my losses are.

for once I agree with you. But if you ARE a cheater who uses rybka, resigning isn't really a matter of importance for you.

Oartfizz,

Oh, obviously I meant when playing OTB. If playing over the intertubes you can only throw hateful spam at them and try to defame their character, all while dragging the game out as long as possible.

3021025 wrote:

Since I just swindeled two draws on livechess by stalemate, I am not one for giving up quickly. This however depends greatly on the person I'm playing with, in what kind of mood I am, and severe my losses are.

I have known the horrible feeling of having a queen and king versus lone king and stalemating. Ouch. That is a painful lesson, but it has made me more careful since.

duffer, I agree that players with very low rating think differently about the resign issue. I also said explicitely that I do not think badly about them, if they JUST DON'T KNOW they are lost anyway.

Concerning the 1800 rating below and above, I indeed think 1800 is kind of borderline between beginner and advanced player.

Nevertheless, I know many players with rating less than 1800 who resign when they find themselves in a hopeless (hopeless for them, to be clear once more) situation. I agree, the percentage of players among them who continue 'to the last pawn' is higher than among the advanced players, but this is since they don't know they have no chance, may be they still have a chance of a stalemate or even more, if the opponent is a beginner.  

grimreaper1973 wrote:

Mandelshtam said:

"You grimreaper just don't like that facts, and therefore just claim the facts are not true."

Please clarify typographical error for "that facts" and explain either where I claimed facts are not true or "that fact" (a specific fact) was not true.  All I said was that usually someone who constantly has to prove...

And after that I cease fire.

It wasn't a typo. You implied that my  interviews with hundreds of chess players are subjective exaggeration, and that they do'nt give a representative average.

The second claim, I told you, is ok, because, i didn't make a scientific research. But I asked you to think about my experience, please do it.

I didn't have a battle with you, so i don't need to offer or accept a ceasefire.

Agreed.  I play some of these Vote Chess, and people start bantering on about Resigning from the first sign of an disadvantage.  I say, for Vote chess anyway, that they should just Leave the game.  Why would there even be an option to resign?

Perhaps someone already pointed this out (I dont have the time to read 250 posts) . Many online players do not resign in a completely lost position because they secretly hope your ISP will drop your connection and cause a forfiet . Not very sporting . But such is the ego of some players .

motorOOhead wrote:

Perhaps someone already pointed this out (I dont have the time to read 250 posts) . Many online players do not resign in a completely lost position because they secretly hope your ISP will drop your connection and cause a forfiet . Not very sporting . But such is the ego of some players .

 Nobody has pointed that out before (in this topic). It is a NEW point. Alleluia! (There were only 226 posts, by the way, before you posted the 227th one :)

deliberately drawing a game out in hopes the ISP disconnects?  wow.  that could be a long game.  Pulling the plug?  Priceless (to those who do so; I am not advocating it).

But waiting for the ISP?  Like trying to drink a gallon of lemonade with an eye dropper...

It's not impossible for an internet connection to be down for 3 or more days. Rare but possible. However I fully agree that it is madness to expect it will happen to your particular opponent at any specific time. (Most people, I assume, could get access to the internet at least once every three days in such a situation if they really wanted to in any event)

"Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy." ---Winston Churchill

cheater_1 - I love the wisdom and wit of Sir Winston Churchill RIP

there were times during his major influence and tactics during the Second World War that he and his Generals chose to withdraw, to regroup, to grow stronger and then engage the enemy again and WIN

classic example is the North African campaign that demonstrated that a supply line that was too long was fraught with weaknesses - so withdrawing allowed the enemy to advance and then be beaten 

Begin - to begin is half the work, let half still remain; again begin this, and thou wilt have finished.
Marcus Aurelius  121ce -180ce 

"surely it is wisdom to recognise ones mistakes and if sufficient then withdraw and re-enter the fray with re-newed vigour and understanding" - dbw  

motorOOhead wrote:

Perhaps someone already pointed this out (I dont have the time to read 250 posts) . Many online players do not resign in a completely lost position because they secretly hope your ISP will drop your connection and cause a forfiet . Not very sporting . But such is the ego of some players .

In turn-based games or live?

I don't know how we could know what many people secretly hope if it is secret. And it is such a nutty thing to expect, I can't imagine many people do.

I pray for ANYTHING to happen if I am losing (when I do not cheat) in live internet games. Back in the day, there were certain techniques to freeze a game or create such a lag that the player would stand up from his seat and sit back down in hopes that it would make the clock start again. The second he would stand up or leave the game, I would take the win. Sometimes I would even lie and say the game is frozen and wait til he leaves and then I'd wait out the 3 minute period to take the win. It was a SLIMEY win, but a win nonetheless.

If you're playing for points or to maintain that flawless record (as I was), youd do anything you could to get a mark in the win column.

Thats Beautiful sheriff... i'm weepy over here.

Do not go gentle into that good night,

Old age should burn and rave at close of day;

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,

Because their words had forked no lightning they

Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright

Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,

And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,

Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight

Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, 

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,

Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.

Do not go gentle into that good night.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light. 

Dylan Thomas

Ah, yea you didn't need me to point out who wrote this poem. 

It was just this part "who see with blinding sight" with its oxymoronic 

flair like those pro-resignators who continue with this thread. 

Loquacious Dummies perhaps.