bb_gum234 wrote:
Aren't you embarrassed for comparing chess to games with dice AND cards?
Well, if you're not, I'm embarrassed for you.
Yes I do agree with you, but I'm not embarrassed..just feels weird.
Should chess be considered a sport?
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GMrisingJCLmember1 wrote:
Murgen wrote:
Certainty is great... Monopoly requires skill, the element of chance means a weaker player may beat a stronger player sometimes.
Over a match of a thousand games I would expect a skilled player to significantly outperform an unskilled one.
I don't really see what skills monopoly requires.
How good are you at Monopoly? 
I'm just asking because people who haven't identified the skills that a particular activity requires aren't usually to be found amongst the top performers of it!
Comparing chess to games with cards and/or dice...
Well if chess are being compared to sports why not?
Sports are below chess as are cards and dice... the only difference is that sports are beneath (any game with) dice and cards too.
There may be some sports that some animal couldn't do better than a human, but in most cases I would expect there to be a least one species of animal (an average member of which) that would perform better than any human. And you wouldn't need to pay them millions of dollars... a food pellet would probably do it.
bb_gum234 wrote:
Murgen wrote:
Comparing chess to games with cards and/or dice...
Well if chess are being compared to sports why not?
I explained why I think it's a fine comparison on page one.
But comparing chess to random BS games... I mean, I guess that's just the level that some people play. I know that's rude, but I don't mean it as an insult. Compared to people who actually compete in chess, I'm terrible... but reading the opinion of people who routinely miss mate in 1s in correspondence games talk about how chess is like a nursery rhyme game (RG1951), I can't help but think this way. You want to talk about what chess is an isn't, but you don't even play so... what is there to say? It's not even a conversation.
Chess is not a sport. You are utterly wrong about everything except that it is impossible for us to have a conversation.
Subbuteo chess would be great! you can still play the same moves and nobody would argue about chess being a sport then. It's about time FIDE rules stated chess jocks should be muscle bound and the women should be built like sprinters.
Jun 24, 2015
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Murgen wrote:
GMrisingJCLmember1 wrote:
Murgen wrote:
Certainty is great... Monopoly requires skill, the element of chance means a weaker player may beat a stronger player sometimes.
Over a match of a thousand games I would expect a skilled player to significantly outperform an unskilled one.
I don't really see what skills monopoly requires.
How good are you at Monopoly?
I'm just asking because people who haven't identified the skills that a particular activity requires aren't usually to be found amongst the top performers of it!
So who are the top performers of it? Even if there were things like monopoly tournaments and the monopoly word championships.. It's already a game that relies on the roll of a dice and not skills (if you claim that monopoly requires skill, please name a few skills) . You can call chess a game (by definition it is but it's like describing Albert Einstein as just 'smart'). BTW I'm not good at monopoly.
GMrisingJCLmember1 wrote:
RG1951 wrote:
GMrisingJCLmember1 wrote:
Recently in one of my chess groups our group members have been having a bit of talk about the question: Should chess be considered a sport? I want to ask people on this site their opinions (I think chess should be considered a sport).
In my few years on this site, this question has been put at least half a dozen times in the forums. If you call chess a sport, you must also call tiddlywinks, monopoly, ludo, draughts, mahjong, shove ha'penny, all card games (hundreds or even thousands of them), risk - in fact, all board games, again, thousands of them, darts, pool, snooker, all children's nursery rhyme games, "rock, scissors and paper", all of these and countless more, sports.
In case the point has not got home, chess is not remotely comparable to genuine sports like soccer, rugby, tennis and so on.
Sport requires skill, and I'm sure that monopoly doesn't require skill.
Monopolopy requires skill and judgement, even though it is driven by dice throwing.
Ian_Trinh_1999 wrote:
Personally, I think chess should be a sport because it uses physical organs (e.g. brain and arms) to actually play it. Most sports also have the use of arms (Swimming tennis, cricket, etc). SO yes, chess should be considered a sport.
Jun 24, 2015
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RG1951 wrote:
GMrisingJCLmember1 wrote:
RG1951 wrote:
GMrisingJCLmember1 wrote:
Recently in one of my chess groups our group members have been having a bit of talk about the question: Should chess be considered a sport? I want to ask people on this site their opinions (I think chess should be considered a sport).
In my few years on this site, this question has been put at least half a dozen times in the forums. If you call chess a sport, you must also call tiddlywinks, monopoly, ludo, draughts, mahjong, shove ha'penny, all card games (hundreds or even thousands of them), risk - in fact, all board games, again, thousands of them, darts, pool, snooker, all children's nursery rhyme games, "rock, scissors and paper", all of these and countless more, sports.
In case the point has not got home, chess is not remotely comparable to genuine sports like soccer, rugby, tennis and so on.
Sport requires skill, and I'm sure that monopoly doesn't require skill.
Monopolopy requires skill and judgement, even though it is driven by dice throwing.
Seriously though (i'm not kidding around), What is the judgement used for in monopoly..some examples. I realised somehow that your trying to tell me monopoly is a sport.
I think the real question here is whether chess is a squid or a kid ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Jun 24, 2015
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bb_gum234 wrote:
GMrisingJCLmember1 wrote:
Seriously though (i'm not kidding around), What is the judgement used for in monopoly..some examples. I realised somehow that your trying to tell me monopoly is a sport.
You decide whether or not to buy property you land on.
You decide whether or not to accept a trade with another player. This adds psychology and acting.
You decide when and how many houses/hotel to purchase for your property.
So you'd do things like estimate your income and expense for each trip around the board and compare with the same estimate for other players.
You could also card count to know which cards are left in the stack.
I haven't played monopoly since I was a little kid, so I'm just guessing. This is how I'd approach it if I were serious though... and of course (at least IMO) even after all this there should still be a huge element of luck.
Thanks, that helped with pondering how monopoly requires skill.
Either way, I believe chess is a sport. Proffesional chess players can make money doing it, but you can't become a proffesional monopoly player. I think that is one of the distinguishing factors between sport and non-sport. Whether you can become a proffesional and make money at it.
busting the myth of sports = athletics.
Gouryella wrote:
busting the myth of sports = athletics.
I wouldn't say it's a myth, but it's definitely a misunderstanding of the literal definition. Gambling can be considered a sport, and a gambler can be considered a sport also(the two uses of the word sport here have different meanings).
Chess is DEFINITELY a sport, by definition, and by fact.
Jun 24, 2015
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Either way, I believe chess is a sport. Proffesional chess players can make money doing it, but you can't become a proffesional monopoly player. I think that is one of the distinguishing factors between sport and non-sport. Whether you can become a proffesional and make money at it.
There are professional monopoly players.
MisterBoy wrote:
lisa_zhang_tok wrote:
Its better than a sport, what sport can you play well while drinking :)
Beer pong?
haha I can not play this well unless sober :)
BigKingBud wrote:
Gouryella wrote:
busting the myth of sports = athletics.
I wouldn't say it's a myth, but it's definitely a misunderstanding of the literal definition. Gambling can be considered a sport, and a gambler can be considered a sport also(the two uses of the word sport here have different meanings).
Chess is DEFINITELY a sport, by definition, and by fact.
It's not "DEFINITELY" a sport. It's also not a fact. It's simply your opinion.
Jun 24, 2015
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Chess is not a sport. A sport is something that requires physical activity. A paraplegic can play chess. Someone paralyzed from the next down can become a grandmaster.
Certainty is great... Monopoly requires skill, the element of chance means a weaker player may beat a stronger player sometimes.
Over a match of a thousand games I would expect a skilled player to significantly outperform an unskilled one.
I don't really see what skills monopoly requires.