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Speculations on the Candidates' wild card

  • #61

    Aronian has a spot from the World Cup so he doesn't need the wild card.  Agree that MVL is deserving but he might get in through the Grand Prix

  • #62

    "Agree that MVL is deserving"

    Yes, he is probably the player that is most deserving of the wild card after winning Sinquefield Cup and missing out with such a narrow margin in the semi against Aronian in the World Cup. But the wild card doesn't have much to with with who is most deserving. The last time the Russians picked the wild card, for the 2014 Candidates, it stood between Grischuk and Svidler. Then #13 Svidler got it even though Grischuk was #5 at the time, so it's debatable if even the most deserving Russian got it.

    Grischuk did much better in the qualification (5th in the Grand Prix series where Svidler was 18th), but he needed to win the last GP tournament to qualify. The tournament finished the day before the Russian Superfinal started, so Grischuk didn't play the latter. Svidler, on the other hand, suddenly withdrew from the last GP tournament, after which he could prepare better for and play the Russian Superfinal, which he won (after tiebreak against Nepomniachtchi, with Vitiugov in third). Then he got the wild card, while Grischuk missed out.

  • #63

    The most sensible thing would be to give wild card to Kramnik, one last time wink.png

    Do we have a list of wild cards since this system started, anyone?

  • #64

    Wikipedia has the list, but you have to search by each WC cycle.  I'm not sure if Kramnik is actually going to retire anytime soon

  • #65

    ding, aronian, and karjakin are in

  • #66

    Kramnik has lost 2 points in his first 2 games in the European Club Cup. Safe to say a candidates rating spot is going to be incredibly tricky.

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  • #67

    I feel the Wild Card idea should exist for one reason. That is to ensure that a deserving player doesn't miss out on the tournament if he failed to qualify through the normal routes.

     

    So giving the wild card to someone who is totally out of left field, makes little sense. I feel once the list of qualifiers is known, the next few highest elo players should have their names put in a hat and one pulled out and he gets to be the wildcard.

  • #68

    I would prefer that the players that just missed out (3rd in GP and rating lists, maybe 4th also) should play mini-matches to decide the wildcard, that way you get some less common players in there, but the player that wins has also earned their spot by right. Maybe the sponsor should organise this (think of all the monies, FIDE!).

  • #69

    What about creating 3 huge tournaments with 10 players: top 2 advance to candidates - that's 6 players + challenger + maybe a winner of a smaller tournament of 3rd and 4th players grin.png

  • #70

    It's called the grand prix 😁

  • #71
    JayeshSinhaChess wrote:

    I feel the Wild Card idea should exist for one reason. That is to ensure that a deserving player doesn't miss out on the tournament if he failed to qualify through the normal routes.

     

    So giving the wild card to someone who is totally out of left field, makes little sense. I feel once the list of qualifiers is known, the next few highest elo players should have their names put in a hat and one pulled out and he gets to be the wildcard.

    Funny you should say that...

    https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/idea-for-candidates-tournament-random-wild-card

  • #72

    I will go with the completely random draw route. As long as its done live and no human touches the envelopes. Just some powerball type machine pulling up a random ball. That way one could accuse anyone of bias.

     

    If a human touches the envelope there will always be an element of oh the enveloped had a little dot in the corner and all that.

  • #73
    knighttour2 wrote:

    It's called the grand prix 😁

    No no, 3 tournaments with different players, sorted by higher rating:

    • 1,4,7,10,13,16,19...
    • 2,5,8,11,14,17,20...
    • 3,6,9,12,15,18,21...
  • #74

    Such events couldn't be done exactly because the players have schedules and prior commitments, plus some players would already have qualified (like player #1, Magnus).

    The cycle and method of selecting players is fine the way it is.  The only reason we have a wildcard is to help get sponsors

  • #75

    Kramnik is king! Like kingofshedinjas.

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