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SmyslovFan
Reb wrote:

bb ,  I'm not disagreeing with you but am disagreeing that 1 d4 opens lines for more pieces than does 1 e4 . 

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant that Berliner argued that 1.d4 d5 2.c4 opens more useful lines than 1.e4 e5 2.f4 does. 

X_PLAYER_J_X
pfren wrote:
incantevoleutopia wrote:
Reb wrote:

Maybe you are just better than Portisch Ponz ?  Everyone knows what a hack he was !  

Why are you constantly harassing Ponz when there are several idiots running rampant here that you could put down with your chess knowledge?

That's a very valid question, but the answer is really easy.

Arguing with ponz about chess has its charm. He will give you some interesting answers, although you wouldn;t accept him escaping from his stereotypes- that is normal, and expected. he is right to a certain extent about the importance of openings for HIS game, but have in mind that he plays correspondence, not OTB, and in correspondence the opening has an elevated role.

But arguing about chess with, say, 5OS or xpatzerx, is like reading poetry to a cockroach.

 

The fact of the matter is Pfren can't put me down with his chess knowledge simply because my statement was based on an interpretation of a quote.

Incantevoleutopia If you believe having 2 little red letters next to Pfren's name qualifies him in having super human powers to figure out how every chess player will interpret a quote than you are more delusional than Pfren.

Furthermore, When I do say something chess related they often are in a form of a question and/or opinion. In which case even then Pfren can't put me down with his chess knowledge because every person is allowed to ask a question and/or is entitled to their own opinion.

The real victim in this forum is PossibleOatmeal. Who got cyberbullyed for having an opinion. Which was perfectly justifiable.

Furthermore, Pfren has already acknowledged his own error with out me even telling him anything. You see I don't have to comment to Pfren. In fact, I have him blocked.I have found if you leave him to his own devices he will make the errors by himself. You just have to be their to collect them to show the evidence.

For example:

He has been trying to agrue about the below Portisch quote.


Your only task in the opening is to reach a playable middlegame.  - Lajos Portisch


Yet read the the below quote from him.

 

pfren wrote:

Arguing with ponz about chess has its charm. He will give you some interesting answers, although you wouldn;t accept him escaping from his stereotypes- that is normal, and expected. he is right to a certain extent about the importance of openings for HIS game, but have in mind that he plays correspondence, not OTB, and in correspondence the opening has an elevated role.

The only task in the opening is to reach a playable middlegame? Oh wait that only applys to OTB and not correspondence by Pfren's standards.

I like how these exceptions are being added onto a quote which only has 12 words on it.

Portisch never said anything about correspondence chess.


Your only task in the opening is to reach a playable middlegame.  - Lajos Portisch


We might as well rewrite the whole bloody thing.

"Your only task in the opening is to reach a playable middlegame unless your opponent blunders a mate in 1, hangs a piece, plays you in correspondence chess, plays you in vote chess." - Lajos Portisched corrected!

Absurd!


Dolphin27

X_PLAYER_J_X I agree it is terrible how Pfren puts you down. Disagreement is one thing, but in this thread here http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/benoni-from-blacks-perspective?page=1 he outright insults you and calls you a patzer, along with insulting another member.

I have seen him be insulting several times to many different people. Isn't this against chess.com rules? I'm sure if you catalogued/documented all these insults he's made you could get him banned.

Arawn_of_Annuvin
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
thegreat_patzer wrote:

oh boy. this thread is going full Tilt.

a mob is forming.  I'm sorry but I don't like all the negativity against titled players.  in my mind they have proved they skill.

I realize that doesn't make their word law, or their opinions, neccesarily correct.

and it still gets me, that I thought all the negativity was resolved pages ago. 

if fiveswords or ipcress have real issues with reb or pfren or what they have written. they ought to explain themselves. 

The issue came from page 1

When PossibleOatmeal did not like Lajos Portisch quote.

The below is Lajos Portisch quote


Your only task in the opening is to reach a playable middlegame.  - Lajos Portisch

 

The reason why PossibleOatmeal did not like Lajos Portisch quote is because it literally is wrong. "Bascially" The quote is not suppose to be taken literally. Which is the issue PossibleOatmeal has with the quote.

He believes Lajos Portisch should of be clear!

If you was to read and do exactly what the quote says you would be doing wrong in alot of your chess games.

After PossibleOatmeal said the above good old IM Pfren you know him.

Decided to jump all over Oatmeal as if he was going to eat him for breakfast.

He insulted poor Oatmeal said that Portisch was +1500 ranking points higher than him.

Pfren said "Oatmeal you little class player go play on the kiddie table. You don't know what your talking about. Let us title players give chess advice here".

Than the chess Title groupies came and put extra pressure on poor Oatmeal making him feel as if he was wrong. Making him question whether or not he was right or wrong.

Eventually poor Oatmeal gave in under the pressure. The intimidation of everyone else. He decided to leave the thread and didn't mention it.

The fact of the matter is Oatmeal was right. All the other doubters and commenters were wrong.

Its sad because things like this happen in the world and if you don't have the confidence to make a stance you can get bullied into thinking your wrong when you are right.

Oatmeal is 100% right.

I don't care if Carlsen himself came to this forum and said Portisch quote is right because he would be wrong too.

I can even prove it. Watch how easy it is to prove.

Read Portisch's quote again:


Your only task in the opening is to reach a playable middlegame.  - Lajos Portisch

 

White has a mate in 1 on the board lady's and gentlemen.

Portisch says the task in the opening is to reach a playable middlegame.

If we checkmate black in this position the game ends in the opening and we never reached that playable middlegame.

That is outragious!

Obviously in this position we have to develop a piece because Portisch did not say to checkmate a person in the opening.

He literally said the following:


Your only task in the opening is to reach a playable middlegame.  - Lajos Portisch

 

 

Are you going to checkmate black in this position and go against what Lajos Portisch has said!! How dare you!!!

He is +1500 higher rated than any of you patzers IM Pfren has already said this.

Do you see how Oatmeal is right in his stance against Portisch thegreat_patzer?

The reason why Oatmeal is right is because the quote can not be taken literally. It is leaving out stuff. The "stuff" which is being left out is considered to be understood among higher level players.

However, to a beginner they are not going to be aware of that "stuff" which is being left out unless someone tells them.

Which is the problem PossibleOatmeal has with what Portisch said.


Portisch should have said " Your only task in the opening is to reach a playable middlegame unless your opponent hangs a piece, or lets you checkmate them in 1, or lets you steal a pawn.

Do you see how the beginners are not confused now. When you add that extra stuff into the quote.

However, yeah I like this forum. It makes me laugh. I am amused.

You have to think outside the box.

X_PLAYER_J_X
Dolphin27 wrote:

X_PLAYER_J_X I agree it is terrible how Pfren puts you down. Disagreement is one thing, but in this thread here http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/benoni-from-blacks-perspective?page=1 he outright insults you and calls you a patzer, along with insulting another member.

I have seen him be insulting several times to many different people. Isn't this against chess.com rules? I'm sure if you catalogued/documented all these insults he's made you could get him banned.

I find it funny and hilarious.

You see he can't go a single day with out thinking of me Dolphin.

I never even talked or knew about that forum until you posted it here.

You see Dolphin27 - Pfren had his chance with me.

I am a mellow type of person.

I try to be nice to everyone and help people. I share idea's for fun.

Sometimes I am wrong. sometimes I am right.

However, I figure the process in learning between what is wrong and right is one of the joys of chess for me.

This conflict between me and Pfren all started a couple of weeks ago.

In the below forum.

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/e4-or-something-else

When I mistakenly asked him advice/a question about 1 move.

Ever since that day he has been on my block list.

I didn't need chess.com to handle this issue becaused I used my block function.

It solved the problem nicely.

He can't talk on my forums or on my blogs.

All he can do is try and insult me from other people's articles and blogs.

My father once told me some words of advice "He said son sometimes you do the good/right things in life so you can sleep good at night".

He than explained what he ment by that saying.

He said " If you do people wrong one day karma will come around and haunt you for what you have done and you will lose sleep because of those wrongs you have done. If you would of did the right thing from the beginning you would of never been haunted which means you will sleep like a baby".

It is obvious Pfren's karma has come back to haunt him and all he can think about is some random online chess player who has an OTB ranking which is provisional.

I have been playing chess for a year. I haven't gone to a tournement in real life. I haven't played chess long enough to even consider it to be honest.

I mean think about it. His Karma is causing him more problems than what chess.com could do.

Don't you find the below post absolutely funny.

pfren wrote:
 
I see your analytical / understanding abilities are quite similar to X-PATZER-X. You could write a book together titled "The rise of Forrest Gump to Chess Majesty".


I find it funny because of all the insults in the world to say towards me he picked writing a chess book with the title "The rise of Forrest Gump to Chess Majesty".

In the movie Forrest Gump became rich, successful, got a medal, and was happy.

I am starting to believe his quote towards me was a compliment.

incantevoleutopia
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
pfren wrote:
incantevoleutopia wrote:
Reb wrote:

Maybe you are just better than Portisch Ponz ?  Everyone knows what a hack he was !  

Why are you constantly harassing Ponz when there are several idiots running rampant here that you could put down with your chess knowledge?

That's a very valid question, but the answer is really easy.

Arguing with ponz about chess has its charm. He will give you some interesting answers, although you wouldn;t accept him escaping from his stereotypes- that is normal, and expected. he is right to a certain extent about the importance of openings for HIS game, but have in mind that he plays correspondence, not OTB, and in correspondence the opening has an elevated role.

But arguing about chess with, say, 5OS or xpatzerx, is like reading poetry to a cockroach.

 The fact of the matter is Pfren can't put me down with his chess knowledge simply because my statement was based on an interpretation of a quote.

Incantevoleutopia If you believe having 2 little red letters next to Pfren's name qualifies him in having super human powers to figure out how every chess player will interpret a quote than you are more delusional than Pfren.


You might want to adjust your reading skills to an acceptable level.

X_PLAYER_J_X
incantevoleutopia wrote:
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
pfren wrote:
incantevoleutopia wrote:
Reb wrote:

Maybe you are just better than Portisch Ponz ?  Everyone knows what a hack he was !  

Why are you constantly harassing Ponz when there are several idiots running rampant here that you could put down with your chess knowledge?

That's a very valid question, but the answer is really easy.

Arguing with ponz about chess has its charm. He will give you some interesting answers, although you wouldn;t accept him escaping from his stereotypes- that is normal, and expected. he is right to a certain extent about the importance of openings for HIS game, but have in mind that he plays correspondence, not OTB, and in correspondence the opening has an elevated role.

But arguing about chess with, say, 5OS or xpatzerx, is like reading poetry to a cockroach.

 The fact of the matter is Pfren can't put me down with his chess knowledge simply because my statement was based on an interpretation of a quote.

Incantevoleutopia If you believe having 2 little red letters next to Pfren's name qualifies him in having super human powers to figure out how every chess player will interpret a quote than you are more delusional than Pfren.


You might want to adjust your reading skills to an acceptable level.

I believe my reading skills are at an acceptable level.

Your comment was to Reb. However, In your post you left your comment open ended. You did not decribe who those "idiots running rampant where"

Which means other people could come along and fill in the blank with what they want too. If your actions/statements causes another person to do/say something. You are still at fault because you originated the problem. It is like you planted the seed and watched other people grow the tree.

If the tree than grows and tears down a house you are still at fault even if the guy watering the tree decided to grow the tree in a wild way.

It is because with out you the other guy wouldn't be able to grow the tree in a wild way.

With out your statement Pfren could not come along and fill in the blanks with me and FOS.

Which is why I directed my response to you.

I than made it clear that you shouldn't believe what Pfren had to say. I than showed why if you do believe what Pfren has to say than you would be delusional.

Everything I said is completely valid. I believe you need to retract your statement. Unless you can show how my reading skills are wrong.

incantevoleutopia

And also today we get laid tomorrow!



Arawn_of_Annuvin
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:

If the tree than grows and tears down a house you are still at fault even if the guy watering the tree decided to grow the tree in a wild way.

It is because with out you the other guy wouldn't be able to grow the tree in a wild way.

Amazing.

Diakonia
abrahampenrose wrote:

This thread is out of control. Mods should lock it.

People who insult others should receive a warning.

This is what chess.com has turned into...yahoo chess.

X_PLAYER_J_X
Arawn_of_Annuvin wrote:

You have to think outside the box.

No I do not have to think outside of the box?

I am allowed to think inside the box for as long as I wish too.

ChessPatzer987

Band_Sagger, an NM can easily defeat you. Therefore, you shouldn't post rubbish like that.

ChessPatzer987

Someone's overconfident!

ChessPatzer987

No, it isn't a joke.

dfgh123

national master title is just white noise outside usa

SmyslovFan

Thus says someone rated 636. Not 1636, not 2636. 636.

You make a mistake when you think that turning on an engine is "you" beating a Master. 

SmyslovFan

Btw, purposely throwing games is cheating.

SmyslovFan
Band_Sagger wrote:

National master title is ridiculous, one has to be honest. And i dont know what u mean Smyslov, i am only 6o0 rated...

Saved for posterity.

Diakonia
Band_Sagger wrote:

? I would beat any Nm in less in than 30 moves (or longer when he doesnt resign)...

Did i read correctly?  The band sagger guy said he could beat a titled player, and hes rated 600?

SmyslovFan

You? Or your engine?

One of the problems with sandbagging online, is even if you are actually a great player, nobody will believe you and your account will be closed because either you use an engine or you throw games. Both are not allowed.