He could of just played Kh1.
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It does not look like chess to me.
For example, could anyone with 3 milligrams of brains explain the move 7...Bc8?
Mar 2, 2013
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pfren wrote:
It does not look like chess to me.
For example, could anyone with 3 milligrams of brains explain the move 7...Bc8?
Finally a question I'm qualified to answer (give or take a few milligrams) instead of the gurus for a change.
Okay, not that I agree with the move and I wouldn't want to play it myself either, but sometimes I can tell the intent behind moves for some reason.
I'm thinking sensing his bishop was blocked in by his knight, he was most likely preparing to redeploy it to Bb7 after b5 at some point, but found the attack that led to his win before reaching that point.
Was that it Ray?
I think the purpose behind Bc8 was that after Nc3 which prevents the c pawn from attacking the d4 square, black can play for d4. Bc8 unveils the black queen, and after Bxc5, the threat is real.
In the real world, even a retard monkey would not play 7...Bc8. This move shows complete ignorance of the game fundamentals.
People don't put their games up for abuse, good point bt perhaps a little more civilized next time
Allthough I agree with you Pfren. You could REALLY work on your people skills.
Why don't you make it a positive experience for people to find out an IM posted in their thread?
Instead of being so patronizing, you could be a bit more constructive for a change
Mar 2, 2013
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@pfren: steve jobs must have come back to life, learnt to play chess, and is now commenting from your account! Where else would those extremely rude comments come from? :P
Mar 2, 2013
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pfren wrote:
In the real world, even a retard monkey would not play 7...Bc8. This move shows complete ignorance of the game fundamentals.
Actually, that comment is retarded. In the real world, few people would speak to others like that. Monkeys don't play chess and to suggest that the player with the black pieces plays worse than a monkey that doesn't play chess is pretty silly. I'm sorry your life sucks but don't take it out on others please.
Mar 2, 2013
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When your opponent makes dubious moves--you can win quickly if you capitalize on them. Bringing out both Knights like that right away gives you no breakers--that's a bit suspect there. Moving your Knight just to have him attacked and moved back to the same square? Another strange choice. Castling right into the teeth of a battery along the diagonal? Well, you’re just asking to get checkmated then. I wish my opponents were that obliging! ;-)
sluck72 wrote:
pfren wrote:
In the real world, even a retard monkey would not play 7...Bc8. This move shows complete ignorance of the game fundamentals.
Actually, that comment is retarded. In the real world, few people would speak to others like that. Monkeys don't play chess and to suggest that the player with the black pieces plays worse than a monkey that doesn't play chess is pretty silly. I'm sorry your life sucks but don't take it out on others please.
On the subject of being offensive, I think you topped pfren. Commenting on one's obviously bad move in an exaggerated way is one thing, but telling one his life sucks ... thats another deal.
Mar 2, 2013
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Arraskrahe wrote:
sluck72 wrote:
pfren wrote:
In the real world, even a retard monkey would not play 7...Bc8. This move shows complete ignorance of the game fundamentals.
Actually, that comment is retarded. In the real world, few people would speak to others like that. Monkeys don't play chess and to suggest that the player with the black pieces plays worse than a monkey that doesn't play chess is pretty silly. I'm sorry your life sucks but don't take it out on others please.
On the subject of being offensive, I think you topped pfren. Commenting on one's obviously bad move in an exaggerated way is one thing, but telling one his life sucks ... thats another deal.
You're correct. I went out of line there. However, I can't appologize because the reason I commented is valid. He shouldn't talk like that. He is an IM and I expect a level a courtesy from high level players. I may be wrong in my expectations tho but I am not sorry.
Probably pfren doesn't think there is anything wrong with those kinds of comments but in my opinion there is. You can say the same thing in a polite tone. If your tone is hurtful the usefulness of the comment slips away because people will tend to focus on the hurtful thing.
I don't hope pfren's life sucks but if it does there is no reason to take it out on others. This point is also valid.
pfren wrote:
In the real world, even a retard monkey would not play 7...Bc8. This move shows complete ignorance of the game fundamentals.
This comment shows complete ignorance of common courtesy. Can you believe a professional would say something like this to an amateur?? Incredible.
Expecting courtesy will set you up for disappointment, and lead you to displaying your own bad behavior when you don't get what you expect. This expectation is part of what makes my countrymen hard to deal with in some situations: many people in the U.S. strongly believe the customer is always right. It may be a great philosophy to impart to your employees if you hope to sell something to customers who might choose to buy from you for the rest of their lives, but it's also patently wrong. The customer is not always right. No one is. The act of buying something doesn't magically bypass this truth.
No one is consistently courteous, or honest, or [insert any desirable attribute]. The best we can do is try to display the behaviors we hope to see in others as often as possible, and appreciate these behaviors when we see them in others. Sometimes complaints must be made, but they are also usually bad behavior in their own right.
Admittedly, I flipped through the moves in this game and had similar thoughts about 7. ... Bc8. I backed up and played over it again before I went on to read the rest of this thread. That move says: "I am wasting two moves here for no forced reason. What are you going to do about it?" That was my impression.
I think it's fair to say that most players here want advice from better players. You could say that we are their customers, and they are sellers of chess advice. Not a bad comparison, I think. The only problem with it is that we aren't paying them for the advice they give in the forums. The impetus for them to be courteous to us is not the same as it is for someone who sells groceries, or shoes, or Italian sports cars.
It seems that some people have reading issues, so lets stress it:
The game lasted 14 moves and I checkmated him in that ideal way...
It does seem then that the ideal way to play starts with 7...Bc8, and ends with a perfect helpmate (14.Nxh2). Thinking about it again, I was very harsh to monkeys.
paulgottlieb wrote:
Bc8 was a terrible move. There's nothing wrong with using a little exaggeration to make that point. If you're going to faint or cry every time someone criticizes your play, you're not likely to improve. You're not the customer here, and IM pfen isn't selling you anything; he's giving you the benefit of his experience and superior knowledge. If you don't like the way it's packaged, ignore it.
99% of the people here are rated under 2000. We all make stupid moves pretty much every game we play. Manners may not be obligatory but there's no need to just bash something without even explaining why it's a bad move.
Mar 2, 2013
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Vivinski wrote:
paulgottlieb wrote:
Bc8 was a terrible move. There's nothing wrong with using a little exaggeration to make that point. If you're going to faint or cry every time someone criticizes your play, you're not likely to improve. You're not the customer here, and IM pfen isn't selling you anything; he's giving you the benefit of his experience and superior knowledge. If you don't like the way it's packaged, ignore it.
99% of the people here are rated under 2000. We all make stupid moves pretty much every game we play. Manners may not be obligatory but there's no need to just bash something without even explaining why it's a bad move.
Yep! I know I do.
Do you really think that someone rated 1530 or so needs an explanation on why 7...Bc8 is bad? Oh well...
This is something to be explained to little kids during chess lesson number two, or three. Not later.
Most of the time, when we play some of an equal or higher rank, we expect a long drawn-out battle in which one side eventually gains the upper hand and either checkmates or one player resigns because the game is lost. I was surprised to have this nice little win against a 1600+ player today. Game lasted 14 moves and I checkmated him in that ideal way which we usually only hope the opponent won't see. Perhaps the guy just missed it! I guess that's what separates 1600 players from 1900+ and GMs.