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trevinlmurray wrote:
trevinlmurray wrote:
KingQueen64 wrote:

Now now....Would you rate Fischer better than Morphy or Capa?

Fischer himself out of his own mouth word for word said, "If Paul Morphy came to this (his) era he would beat any chess player including me" 

Nope, Paul Morphy was better, if you study Bobby fischer style he literally "stole" , well... "USED" Paul Morphy moves. And he knows it. 

Your reading comprehension could use some polishing up ;)...

adamstask
steve_bute wrote:
His "bust" of the King's Knight Gambit was later busted in turn, but the move 3...d6 remains important
 

Actually, I think I remember reading some six months ago about a guy who ran computers all day and night for weeks, on the kings gambit, and showed that altho not all of Bobby's lines were accurate, his thesis was correct. Still, I'm a new KG fan. 

Vease
adamstask wrote:
steve_bute wrote:
His "bust" of the King's Knight Gambit was later busted in turn, but the move 3...d6 remains important
 

Actually, I think I remember reading some six months ago about a guy who ran computers all day and night for weeks, on the kings gambit, and showed that altho not all of Bobby's lines were accurate, his thesis was correct. Still, I'm a new KG fan. 

That was an April Fool hoax on Chessbase, they made out some guy had run billions of variations to 'prove' d6 was the best reply. Its a forced draw after 2.Bc4...Wink

adamstask
InDetention wrote:

DA BEST IS NAMECHANGER! HE WON ALL RUSSIA YOUTH CHAMPIONSHIPS,AND LATER HE CHANGED HIS NAME INTO  Steinitz AND BECAME 1ST WORLD CHAMPION.THEN,HE CHANGED HIS NAME INTO LASKER AND BECAME 2ND WORLD CHAMPION.HE THEN CHANGED HIS NAME INTO CALPABLANCA AND BECAME THIRD WORLD CHAMPION.THEN,HE CHANGED HIS NAME INTO ALEKINE AND DEFEATED CALPABLANCA AND BECAME 4TH WORLD CHAMPION.THEN,HE BECAME EUWE!HE DEFEATED ALEKHINE AND BECAME 5TH WORLD CHAMPION. HE DEFEATED THE 1ST 5 WORLD CHAMPIONS!HE IS THE STRONGEST!

I usu. ignore these kinds of posts, but I actually found this funny and wise in its way. 

adamstask

@watcha:

can you explain a bit more what the complexity measure means? thanks. btw I find this interesting. 

adamstask
Vease wrote:
adamstask wrote:
steve_bute wrote:
His "bust" of the King's Knight Gambit was later busted in turn, but the move 3...d6 remains important
 

Actually, I think I remember reading some six months ago about a guy who ran computers all day and night for weeks, on the kings gambit, and showed that altho not all of Bobby's lines were accurate, his thesis was correct. Still, I'm a new KG fan. 

That was an April Fool hoax on Chessbase, they made out some guy had run billions of variations to 'prove' d6 was the best reply. Its a forced draw after 2.Bc4...

I'm so gullible. omg, I thought it was an amazing article. please please delete your comment, and so will I! I'm so embarrased. I read that article with rapt attention! 

adamstask

I read that article with a fine toothed comb (shows how fine my comb is) and told a friend of mine about the 'findings', 'more proof' of Bobby Fischer's greatness!

woodbking

Radar O'Reilly knew every move his opponent was going to make.

trevinlmurray
richie_and_oprah wrote:
trevinlmurray wrote:
trevinlmurray wrote:
KingQueen64 wrote:

Now now....Would you rate Fischer better than Morphy or Capa?

Fischer himself out of his own mouth word for word said, "If Paul Morphy came to this (his) era he would beat any chess player including me" 

Nope, Paul Morphy was better, if you study Bobby fischer style he literally "stole" , well... "USED" Paul Morphy moves. And he knows it. 

USED his moves?

that makes ZERO sense, sir 

He used his style of play, sorry for the mix-up. 

adamstask

jimi hendrix

fabelhaft
tkonoyko wrote:

Karpov - a lot of games and wins.

The problem with ranking Karpov ahead of Kasparov is that they played against each other for decades and the outcome was usually the same. They played numerous tournaments the 20 years after 1981, and the only time Karpov finished ahead was in Linares 1994. The same thing with their matches, they played five and Karpov didn't win any of them. The closest he got was leading the first of them when it was stopped, but even when Kasparov won the title the next year he was very young and more than 150 points lower rated than at his peak.

macer75
adamstask wrote:
InDetention wrote:

DA BEST IS NAMECHANGER! HE WON ALL RUSSIA YOUTH CHAMPIONSHIPS,AND LATER HE CHANGED HIS NAME INTO  Steinitz AND BECAME 1ST WORLD CHAMPION.THEN,HE CHANGED HIS NAME INTO LASKER AND BECAME 2ND WORLD CHAMPION.HE THEN CHANGED HIS NAME INTO CALPABLANCA AND BECAME THIRD WORLD CHAMPION.THEN,HE CHANGED HIS NAME INTO ALEKINE AND DEFEATED CALPABLANCA AND BECAME 4TH WORLD CHAMPION.THEN,HE BECAME EUWE!HE DEFEATED ALEKHINE AND BECAME 5TH WORLD CHAMPION. HE DEFEATED THE 1ST 5 WORLD CHAMPIONS!HE IS THE STRONGEST!

I usu. ignore these kinds of posts, but I actually found this funny and wise in its way. 

lol... it actually is pretty funny. The mods shouldn't have deleted that.

FrenchTutor
fabelhaft wrote:
tkonoyko wrote:

Karpov - a lot of games and wins.

The problem with ranking Karpov ahead of Kasparov is that they played against each other for decades and the outcome was usually the same. They played numerous tournaments the 20 years after 1981, and the only time Karpov finished ahead was in Linares 1994. The same thing with their matches, they played five and Karpov didn't win any of them. The closest he got was leading the first of them when it was stopped, but even when Kasparov won the title the next year he was very young and more than 150 points lower rated than at his peak.

I would personally put Karpov over Kasparov.  Karpov participated in about 300 tournaments and won or shared first in 160 of them - not comparing this to Kasparov's tournament record, just as a statement of Karpov's incredible results.  The reason that I would rank him higher than Kasparov is for the amazing understanding that Karpov had that has not been equaled by any player since.  Kramnik put it best: "When Karpov had an advantage he would maintain the status quo and thereby mysteriously increase his advantage!  Nobody before or since him has managed to do this."  Kasparov was a brilliant attacker and a crushingly strong player (stronger than Karpov, actually!), but he didn't have the almost magical ability to put his opponents under intense pressure by doing nothing more than making what appeared to be waiting moves!  No one understood chess like Karpov did.

DefinitelyNotGM

Carlsen is

varelse1

I agree with French. Karpov was an incredible natural talent. Like Fischer before him, he stood head-and-shoulders over the rest of the world. Then came Kasparov, but he was only a hair stronger than Karpov. And the two of them were still way ahead of everyone else. Standing like twin peaks above the clouds.

AndyClifton

How about Bogart?

AndyClifton

Might be compiling a dictionary.

AndyClifton

I heard he was even better than that...

AndyClifton

lol...no way.  I would be very surprised to find out that Kubrick was any better than 1800 USCF...especially since he apparently never played in rated tourneys (that's a dead giveaway right there, especially back in that era).

DaVinci_Leonardo

jose raul capablanca