The "Alienated Chess Loser" Stereotype

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johnmusacha
913Glorax12 wrote:

People are sometimes intimated by chess players because of the assumption that they are way smarter than them. However that does not stop them from being anti-social. It can even make shy people talk more, because in OTB, people usually say good luck and shakes hands. This opens the door for anti-social kids to be social kids.

The stereotype of the geek nerd awkward anti-social kid that plays chess is only true in movies and tv shows. It seems that you have took fiction and made into fact.

I didn't say anything about kids.  You lack reading comprehension.

zborg

Chess players are a VERY eccentric lot.  On that there should be no debate.

Chess attracts all types, even people with a tendency towards OCD.  No surprise there.

So everything in moderation, except perhaps chessLaughing 

913Glorax12
johnmusacha wrote:
913Glorax12 wrote:

People are sometimes intimated by chess players because of the assumption that they are way smarter than them. However that does not stop them from being anti-social. It can even make shy people talk more, because in OTB, people usually say good luck and shakes hands. This opens the door for anti-social kids to be social kids.

The stereotype of the geek nerd awkward anti-social kid that plays chess is only true in movies and tv shows. It seems that you have took fiction and made into fact.

I didn't say anything about kids.  You lack reading comprehension.

No, I do not, in fact I might have better comprehension than you

johnmusacha

You said "The stereotype of the geek nerd awkward anti-social kid that plays chess is only true in movies and tv shows. It seems that you have took fiction and made into fact."

Tell me where I said anything about "anti social kid[s]".

Thank you.

913Glorax12

I was using it as an example

chasm1995
johnmusacha wrote:

Most of the kids that play chess in High School are pretty normal people, with normal social lives.  A lot of people quit playing chess in college (and that is natural, as who needs to play chess when there's keg parties every weekend, hot girls, and other things going on I probably shouldn't mention here) but even those that continue to play chess into their early 20's and college still are relatively normal people with normal lives.

It's mostly the middle aged chess players that give rise to the stereotypes of the "chess loser".  You know the type, the poorly dressed schmuck sitting by himself at Starbucks with a bad comb-over and drooling all over himself staring into his pocket chess set with the little peg-pieces.

Are people like that vocal members of the internet chess forums?

In any case, what are your thoughts on my thesis?  Do you agree, disagree, or not care?  What is your impression?

1. I'm in college.  You'd be surprised by how inaccurate your assumptions are, as the people I know are mature enough to understand that colege is too expensive to waste on idiotic decisions.

johnmusacha
913Glorax12 wrote:

I was using it as an example

Tell me where I used that example.  You were commenting on what I said.

Then you say "It seems that you have took fiction and made into fact."

when you were the one that brought up the "anti social kid[s]" in the first place.  Not me.

I can tell that you are not exactly "Debate Captain" are you?  Once again:  work on your reading comprehension before commenting.

johnmusacha
chasm1995 wrote:
johnmusacha wrote:

Most of the kids that play chess in High School are pretty normal people, with normal social lives.  A lot of people quit playing chess in college (and that is natural, as who needs to play chess when there's keg parties every weekend, hot girls, and other things going on I probably shouldn't mention here) but even those that continue to play chess into their early 20's and college still are relatively normal people with normal lives.

It's mostly the middle aged chess players that give rise to the stereotypes of the "chess loser".  You know the type, the poorly dressed schmuck sitting by himself at Starbucks with a bad comb-over and drooling all over himself staring into his pocket chess set with the little peg-pieces.

Are people like that vocal members of the internet chess forums?

In any case, what are your thoughts on my thesis?  Do you agree, disagree, or not care?  What is your impression?

1. I'm in college.  You'd be surprised by how inaccurate your assumptions are, as the people I know are mature enough to understand that colege is too expensive to waste on idiotic decisions.

Just because the people you know don't have any fun in college doesn't make my statement "inaccurate."  It is you who is missing out on life.      

chasm1995
johnmusacha wrote:
chasm1995 wrote:
johnmusacha wrote:

Most of the kids that play chess in High School are pretty normal people, with normal social lives.  A lot of people quit playing chess in college (and that is natural, as who needs to play chess when there's keg parties every weekend, hot girls, and other things going on I probably shouldn't mention here) but even those that continue to play chess into their early 20's and college still are relatively normal people with normal lives.

It's mostly the middle aged chess players that give rise to the stereotypes of the "chess loser".  You know the type, the poorly dressed schmuck sitting by himself at Starbucks with a bad comb-over and drooling all over himself staring into his pocket chess set with the little peg-pieces.

Are people like that vocal members of the internet chess forums?

In any case, what are your thoughts on my thesis?  Do you agree, disagree, or not care?  What is your impression?

1. I'm in college.  You'd be surprised by how inaccurate your assumptions are, as the people I know are mature enough to understand that colege is too expensive to waste on idiotic decisions.

Just because the people you know don't have any fun in college doesn't make my statement "inaccurate."  It is you that are missing out.  

I don't want to argue with you, but why would I not want to miss out in large groups of arrogant, intoxicated fools, wasting their money on drugs and alcohol, getting heavily fined when they get caught by their RAs?  Why not use my time more effectively studying, getting an engineering degree and a job that I will enjoy, working in either robotics or aerospace, whichever I enjoy the courses more?  Why would I want to waste all my money on drugs when I can save it up so that I get out with only $10,000 of dept instead of double or more and many nights forgotten, assuming I must have had fun?  Why would I not want to use any extra money to buy pizza and spend the night with friends hanging out and eating instead of being in a room full of intoxicated people acting like idiots?  Why would I not want to have a girlfriend instead of engaging in certain 'activities' with random people, hoping that a condom doesn't break and that I'm a father?  What exacty am I missing out on?

Crazychessplaya

* debt.

zborg

That's a pretty scary post in #32.  Glad you have it all figured out.  Yikes.

chasm1995
zborg wrote:

That's a pretty scary post in #32.  Glad you have it all figured out.  Yikes.

I've felt like a blind man walking in an endless field since I've graduated highschool so I don't know about the figuring it out thing, but I know what my priorities are, and partying is most definitely not one of them.  College is too expensive and valuable to act like an idiot throughout it.

johnmusacha

With a little discipline you should be able to "party" and maintain your GPA.  Not necessarily an either/or situation.

Of course I was a History/English double major so I know those are relatively easy degrees, especially when your professors like you for being "quirky" or whatever; however, I did have science/engineering major friends that did party and get high all the time and still maintained 3.5+ GPAs, did their internships, etc.

woton

Being an old man, I have met a handfull of "chess losers" over the years.  They come in all age groups.  Because 70% of active US chess players (those who play in at least one tournament a year) are under 21, I meet more in that age group in any given year.

bigpoison

The best laid plans of mice and men...

johnmusacha
please_let_me_win wrote:
Y0_Bro wrote:

Im going to assume post #32 was a joke because I cant imagine anyone saying or reading that would actually think its sane.

1) You're a high school senior.

2) Some people actually prefer to think about their futures instead of doing nothing and then complaining when they can't find any jobs except flipping burgers.

You're creating a false dichotomy between "thinking about your future" and having fun in college.  

It's one of those "secrets" in society that the kids that party, have fun, and perhaps even get mediocre grades tend to end up in leadership/management/elite positions in society. 

Those that "stay serious", work hard, and get good grades in college at the expense of fun and the social experience tend to get good jobs as well, but usually are forever the "worker bees" of the corporate world, topping out at around $100k a year then wondering why their classmates that just goofed off and partied all through school are getting promoted, making $250k+, becoming vice presidents, getting into the best clubs, etc. etc.

This is something people don't want you to know, obviously.  This is the way it works in the more "elite" New England colleges; I don't know if this holds true in Middle America state U. or whatever.

chasm1995
Y0_Bro wrote:

Im going to assume post #32 was a joke because I cant imagine anyone saying or reading that would actually think its sane.

I am sane, contraty to what you think.  I find it idiotic to waste away my life drowning in drugs, alcohol, and relations with people I don't know or would not hang out with if I were of clear judgement.

johnmusacha
chasm1995 wrote:
Y0_Bro wrote:

Im going to assume post #32 was a joke because I cant imagine anyone saying or reading that would actually think its sane.

I am sane, contraty to what you think.  I find it idiotic to waste away my life drowning in drugs, alcohol, and relations with people I don't know or would not hang out with if I were of clear judgement.

You need to lighten up, brah.  You do realise that some of the older people telling you the same are Harvard grads (not me)...  we're just trying to help.  

Having a stick up your butt is no way to operate, especially when you are young.

Ubik42
johnmusacha wrote:
please_let_me_win wrote:
Y0_Bro wrote:

Im going to assume post #32 was a joke because I cant imagine anyone saying or reading that would actually think its sane.

1) You're a high school senior.

2) Some people actually prefer to think about their futures instead of doing nothing and then complaining when they can't find any jobs except flipping burgers.

You're creating a false dichotomy between "thinking about your future" and having fun in college.  

It's one of those "secrets" in society that the kids that party, have fun, and perhaps even get mediocre grades tend to end up in leadership/management/elite positions in society. 

Those that "stay serious", work hard, and get good grades in college at the expense of fun and the social experience tend to get good jobs as well, but usually are forever the "worker bees" of the corporate world, topping out at around $100k a year then wondering why their classmates that just goofed off and partied all through school are getting promoted, making $250k+, becoming vice presidents, getting into the best clubs, etc. etc.

This is something people don't want you to know, obviously.  This is the way it works in the more "elite" New England colleges; I don't know if this holds true in Middle America state U. or whatever.

I have no idea if this is true or not, but do you have actual stats to base this on or is it just conjecture?