One thing i agree with Lyudmil is that it is very difficult to write a chess book. It takes a lot of time, especially if you wish to write a comprehensive book. [and his book is comprehensive apparently]
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SteamGear wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
LT was not weak when he stopped playing OTB, he was already 2000+. Playing and analysing regularly against engines is a excellent way to improve in chess. If you do this during 10 years you can expect a great improvement in your chess skills.
Sure. Analyzing with an engine is certainly helpful for improvement.
However, there were players 10 years ago who were already 2700+ in strength. And they've been doing the same thing: analyzing with engines, as well as with other GMs, during that same decade.
It's logical to conclude that a 2100 who's spent the past decade analyzing with engines isn't really going to be much better than a 2700 who's been doing the very same thing.
The 2100 will essentially be trying to catch up to knowledge that the 2700 has already long surpassed.
It's quite possible that the 2100 will have gained some knowledge that may have bumped him up to the entry-level master range (2200-2300 FIDE). To speculate anything beyond that, though, would really just be speculation at best.
OTB play would be the only way to put such speculation to rest.
Only analysis during the last 6 months is valid, when SF was at 3300.
10 years ago, the top engine was at 2900.
Those are light years apart.
There have been jumps in playing strength up to and more than 600 elos per year.
Have not you heard about that?
I was an amateur 5 years, now I am a pro.
Again, I have never laid a claim higher than 2500 OTB.
But then, I don't have the slightest doubt I will be able to successfully defend that rating when necessary.
torrubirubi wrote:
I have to say that I like very much the polite ton in the thread. It was not always like this. First WhardidImiss: not bad to draw against Stockfish. I remember Nakamura losing against SF I odd games. John Nunn stopped playing against engines already in the late 1990s.
The whole discussion on Lyudmil’s strength will remain highly speculative as long he doesn’t demonstrate it in tournaments.
To tell you the true, the whole story is rather annoying. I thought Lyudmil just needed some time to begin to play OTB, but I was wrong.
Perhaps this will never happen, and I am considering seriously to stop following the whole discussion if nothing will change concerning this specific topic. The discussion is highly repetitive, to say the least. Of course it is Lyudmil’s right not to update is rating, but we all have the right to unfollow this thread if things do not change.
Lyudmil, please tell me if you decides to play in a tournament. I think that after three or four official tournaments we will have already a clear idea how much your strength changed in the last 10 years. I wish you all the best.
The whole discussion on Lyudmil’s strength will remain highly speculative as long he doesn’t demonstrate it in tournaments.
To tell you the true, the whole story is rather annoying. I thought Lyudmil just needed some time to begin to play OTB, but I was wrong.
Perhaps this will never happen, and I am considering seriously to stop following the whole discussion if nothing will change concerning this specific topic. The discussion is highly repetitive, to say the least. Of course it is Lyudmil’s right not to update is rating, but we all have the right to unfollow this thread if things do not change.
Lyudmil, please tell me if you decides to play in a tournament. I think that after three or four official tournaments we will have already a clear idea how much your strength changed in the last 10 years. I wish you all the best.
You should understand that to play in a tournament one needs to at least:
- find a FIDE rated tournament close by(or you want me to fly to Switzerland? 
), which is very difficult in Bulgaria
- spent at least one month on a serious tournament, lasting 2 weeks, the preparation involved; playing couple of those means half a year, getting a title couple of years
I wish too, yeah, I wish too.
So, I should decide what to do - play in tournaments or write books.
Let's assume I decide to play.
And I get to 2500 IM in 3 years.
What will happen then when I come back here?
Dear Chess.com members, now I am back, 2500 IM, here is my fully original book, 'The Secret of Chess'.
Chess.com chorus: "Now, you are only 2500, while your book claims to have knowledge for 3000+ You fraud."
Now, you certainly understand I am a reasonable person, before all.
Getting the title changes nothing.
I will play, when I consider this comfortable for me, not when people dictate me.
Besides, there is a lot of competitive stress I would like to avoid immediately.
m_n0 wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
This IM pfren thinks that he God because this title beside his name. He is since months trying to convince everybody here that Lyudmil is muuuuch weaker than him, and that he understand muuuuuch more chess. What should I say? Compared to Lyudmil he is a Patzer.
Let's see the two play a game then. Oh, wait that won't happen.
Assuming all LT's claims are true, he is strong in closed positions, against machines (who infamously do not understand closed positions). I'm not convinced LT would outplay a titled human in a closed position, but I suspect pfren would be able to just consciously steer the game towards an open position (using a level of awareness computers lack), and outplay him.
PfRen can outplay me in open, closed, semi-open, semi-closed or semi-open-closed position ONLY in his dreams.
I am not much weaker in open positions than I am in closed ones.
Kmatta wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
This IM pfren thinks that he God because this title beside his name. He is since months trying to convince everybody here that Lyudmil is muuuuch weaker than him, and that he understand muuuuuch more chess. What should I say? Compared to Lyudmil he is a Patzer.
If Lyudmil is so strong, then why hasn't he played in any OTB tournaments and gotten his rating to 3500? @pfren worked and got his IM title, what about Lyudmil?
Because he was employed in another profession and the things he hates most in this world are titles, while his most-beloved thing is essence.
The essence is in my books, I don't really care for titles.
lfPatriotGames wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
This IM pfren thinks that he God because this title beside his name. He is since months trying to convince everybody here that Lyudmil is muuuuch weaker than him, and that he understand muuuuuch more chess. What should I say? Compared to Lyudmil he is a Patzer.
I see no indication that he, or any other titled player think they are "God" because of their title. In fact, I see the opposite. I see titled players here humbly recognizing their limitations. I also see titled players here rightfully questioning Lyudmils ridiculous claims. Are the titled players here better chess players than Lyudmil? Probably. Only because they have proven their ability. But that doesn't make them invincible. The ONLY person (notice I didn't say player) here who thinks he is better than anyone else is the person who believes he is 3500 in playing strength. Oh, that plus he now thinks he is a gateway or orifice to another dimension. I admit I once gave him the benefit of the doubt because I'm open to new ideas. Let me ask you, since you have read his books how much has your ability or rating increased?
He will improve.
Give him a year or 2 for the knowledge to sink in, and then we will measure Renato's abilities again.
New methods require time.
Most titled players posting here are much weaker than me, I have no doubt about that at all.
Humans/the human brain evolves over time.
Anything more natural than that?
torrubirubi wrote:
As as said already, I agree with everybody here claiming that LT should update his rating by playing some tournaments. So we should not go on discussing his topic as I would be defending another point of view.
How much did I improve since I began to read? I guess I am already 3200 or even better.
Okay, stupid joke.
I am not using his books so much to improve my game. I am more interested in the evolution of chess. Since years I am waiting for somebody to publish a book on middlegame using new insights based on computer analysis.
My main occupation is to compare LT’s ideas with those published in other middlegame books. Not the kind of stuff you should to improve your game.
But I try to use his books to analyse my own games, although even this is rather difficult for me, as his book has a lot of material.
By the way, people has to decide here about two different opinions: that (a) defeating engines is something banal because they are (so people argue) incredible weak in closed positions
Or
(b) he is faking the games.
Since the late 1990s GMs have huge problems exploring engines’ weaknesses, and today there is an agreement among GMs that winning against engines regularly is impossible. Actually it is even almost impossible for a super GM to defeat an engine in odd games. (See Nakamura vs SF).
For me there is nothing banal about LT’s skills.
About fakes: this would be possible but I don’t think this is the case. I also don’t think he is “take back“ in his games. He is able to defeat engines, although we still are waiting for him to tell us the stats about the games.
How much did I improve since I began to read? I guess I am already 3200 or even better.
Okay, stupid joke.
I am not using his books so much to improve my game. I am more interested in the evolution of chess. Since years I am waiting for somebody to publish a book on middlegame using new insights based on computer analysis.
My main occupation is to compare LT’s ideas with those published in other middlegame books. Not the kind of stuff you should to improve your game.
But I try to use his books to analyse my own games, although even this is rather difficult for me, as his book has a lot of material.
By the way, people has to decide here about two different opinions: that (a) defeating engines is something banal because they are (so people argue) incredible weak in closed positions
Or
(b) he is faking the games.
Since the late 1990s GMs have huge problems exploring engines’ weaknesses, and today there is an agreement among GMs that winning against engines regularly is impossible. Actually it is even almost impossible for a super GM to defeat an engine in odd games. (See Nakamura vs SF).
For me there is nothing banal about LT’s skills.
About fakes: this would be possible but I don’t think this is the case. I also don’t think he is “take back“ in his games. He is able to defeat engines, although we still are waiting for him to tell us the stats about the games.
What stats.
I told you: 1 win, 6-7 draws out of 10 games with earlier SF versions.
Don't have time to play latest SF now, but it should be more difficult.
And yes, I guess you are learning quite a lot without even knowing it.
A new approach would need time for all transformations to sink in.
Your play might actually get worse currently and for some time to come, as your mind is trying to adapt and adaptations usually require additional energy.
You have discarded part of the easily available knowledge for a method you don't know if will work.
Check your progress again in 1, 1.5 years.
prusswan wrote:
Without takebacks, he will be toast in any tactical position. (He has NEVER mentioned tactics in any of his games - so he is playing those games under the assumption of tactical immunity).
Btw, if you can somehow avoid tactical positions in all human games, that would be some kind of skill. (But how do you know which position is 'tactical' under OTB conditions?). It is much easier to just press that button and pass it off as 'skill'.
My tactics are slightly worse than my positional abilities.
I have done tactics tests on different sites, and I usually score 100% in beginner and intermediate, with a few advanced puzzles possibly remaining unsolved.
But I have never trained specifically for tactics, I bet one can improve tremendously if he does that, while this would not necessarily translate into strength increase in real games.
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
drmrboss wrote:
I think Lyudmil is a strong player, much stronger than he was 10 years ago, perhaps between 2300 and 2500, but much stronger when playing against engines.
I think Lyudmil is a strong player, much stronger than he was 10 years ago, perhaps between 2300 and 2500, but much stronger when playing against engines.
First you need to know that winning a chess game require both knowledge and calculation(processing power). When people get older after 40, brain processing power significantly decrease. There may be increase in knowledge after studying for 10 years but you also need to know that there is memory loss in everyday. What is more, there is decline in brain processing after 30, more and more sigficant after 40(myelin sheath deteoriate signifiantly after 40) . If he were 2100 in his 40s in 12 years ago, he would probably be 2000 at most in his 50s.
How would I then be able to beat you + 95 - 0 =5 in blitz?
Dont talk, a lot of 2000+ players and Title players already challenged you > 1000 times. Here is my blitz rating . I played > 2000 games and my rating is unquestionable. 99.4% If you are the rest 0.6% , then beat me. I can play any setting from 1-5 mins. (sorry I dont play slow games, I have other personal stuffs )
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
pretzel2 wrote:
lyudmil did claim carlsen was weak. the only reason you harp on some meaningless tactics trainer score is because you can't play chess, and for some narcisstic reason must prop up your ego. the tack you are taking is as intellectually dishonest as lyudmil's. insinuating that people who have had enough of his false claims are somehow cheating. lyudmil has lied about the reviews, he has lied about his results, and for some reason you want to lie about other peoples' accomplishment in order to minimize that. prove to me you are a decent chess player, and that i should take seriously anything you say about chess.
95-5.
I will beat you 95-5 under any conditions and at any place in the world you choose.
That is the problem: People like you should be banned IMMDEDIATELY.
Because you accuse someone of lying without proof, actually, with sufficient proof to the contrary.
Instead, many would do the opposite.
That is the problem with double standards now.
Bear in mind that, in 10 years' time, many people will revere me and my books will be far more popular than you can imagine.
And you will remain the same grumpy troll.
And where is your proof that you aren't lying? Don't say your SF games, because those can be faked.
Apr 4, 2018
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WhatDidIMiss wrote:
drmrboss wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
drmrboss wrote:
I think Lyudmil is a strong player, much stronger than he was 10 years ago, perhaps between 2300 and 2500, but much stronger when playing against engines.
I think Lyudmil is a strong player, much stronger than he was 10 years ago, perhaps between 2300 and 2500, but much stronger when playing against engines.
First you need to know that winning a chess game require both knowledge and calculation(processing power). When people get older after 40, brain processing power significantly decrease. There may be increase in knowledge after studying for 10 years but you also need to know that there is memory loss in everyday. What is more, there is decline in brain processing after 30, more and more sigficant after 40(myelin sheath deteoriate signifiantly after 40) . If he were 2100 in his 40s in 12 years ago, he would probably be 2000 at most in his 50s.
How would I then be able to beat you + 95 - 0 =5 in blitz?
Dont talk, a lot of 2000+ players and Title players already challenged you > 1000 times. Here is my blitz rating . I played > 2000 games and my rating is unquestionable. 99.4% If you are the rest 0.6% , then beat me. I can play any setting from 1-5 mins. (sorry I dont play slow games, I have other personal stuffs )
Well, Lyudmil, you say you can beat him with a 95 percent score in blitz and he challenges you directly. Will you play him? You can play right here on chess.com. No distracting noises, no travel arrangements to make, no financial issues. Play ten games of 3 - 0; that will only take an hour. Win 9 out of ten, or even 7 out of ten, and you will dispel all doubts about your claims. Surely you have an hour to dispel all doubts about your playing strength? If you don’t take up this direct challenge, you demonstrate very convincingly that your claims are hollow, that in fact you don’t even believe them, because you are being given an opportunity to prove your claim and you refuse that opportunity.
As I have stated before: I believe your games against SF are real, and I believe you can beat it. What I don’t believe is that you have learned anything in playing against engines that is generally applicable to human versus human chess. I believe that in your study you have developed a very specialized skill - the ability to beat an engine. Your play has evolved in a way that allows you to beat an engine. It is like a trick shot specialist in golf - he can do things with golf clubs and a golf ball that the best players in the world cannot do. But in actually playing the game, he is nowhere near the pros in ability. He has a specialized skill, as you do.
Earlier I posted a draw I played against SF. To achieve that draw, I leaned on some things I have learned in this thread - not about chess generally, but specifically about chess as engines play it. This has made me more convinced that what you have learned is applicable only to chess as engines play it and would not help you at all in human versus human chess.
With his direct challenge to you, drmrboss gives you an opportunity to prove me wrong, indeed to prove all your detractors wrong. What will you do?
I could see Lyudmil's detractors would be willing to cheat him, just to lend credence to them being right. Some of them obviously are never wrong and quickly shy away from any accountability.
Beyond that, if Lyudmil crushes them, they will say he cheated and try to get him banned.
drmrboss is not going to cheat just to show him up. I do not think either side would cheat...
Apr 4, 2018
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#5155
I'm still waiting for the Lyudmil vs. GmJoey match that I proposed months ago. Joey always seems eager to play, all one needs to do is get within his seek range. Right now he's rated 2600 blitz (a bit high for him, actually), so all Lyudmil needs to do is reach around 2400 or so.
Besting Joey in a match (or even holding Antonio to a respectable score) would do wonders for Lyud's reputation, and no doubt would have a positive impact on book sales. Joey is a crowd-favorite in Live Chess, and any player who goes toe-to-toe with him is sure to gain a lot of attention.
If not Joey, then any titled player would certainly be a good starting point for silencing the critics. Once you reach the 2200s, much of your seek matches become titled players (CMs, NMs, and FMs mostly).
With Lyud's claimed strength, reaching 2200+ blitz in the provisional stage should take only a handful of games. Twenty minutes or less. Far less of a time investment than commenting on the forums has been.
Joey is a Killer. Same is true of Hikaru. Watch their Game in 3/0 play, online.
Amazing stuff to watch.
They sometimes play a dozen games in an hour. WOW!
Apr 4, 2018
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#5157
ponz111 wrote:
drmrboss is not going to cheat just to show him up. I do not think either side would cheat...
I trust most people who frequent this thread about as far as I can throw them. I have ran a few of Lyudmil's games against Stockfish. The numbers come out at the GM level. That doesn't bode well for anyone who isn't at least an IM, playing live blitz on Chess.com.
Oh GM Joey, he is a very good guy. Of course he would be too high for Lyudmil. Joey is very strong in tactics, most of his losses are due to time out(slow thinking in his age). He once beat Nakamura 2-0 while I was watching his games(then Naka searched another opponent). Well, if Lyudmil beat 2000, there are many steps Lyudmil has to beat to be able to compete Joey level, 2200 NM, 2400 FM/IM, 2600 GM etc. I will definitely put my bet on GM Joey.
I bet that you-know-who will find another excuse not to play..
First, you need to know that playing against human and engines are too much different. There are still a few untitiled people who managed to get draw vs SF in playchess room ,chessbase engine server, ( no doubt , it was real) by just playing stonewall. Lydumil never get those games in public setting. So if you see that guy , you might think as " GOD" who is 3500 rated human.
Hilarious!!
Most of LT claim vs engine win are blocked positions.,
If you play vs human, even 2000 rated people can sense those positons and avoid them. Getting from 2000 to 2500 is extremely hard, cos you have to beat those 2000 in 65% scores to get 2100. Again once you get 2100, you have to beat another 2100 in 65% scores to get 2200. That is why his rating would be around 2000, i estimate.
I saw some of his theorey with previews, most of his theorey will be like GOD like knowledge cos you haven't learned those from other books/video etc,. But most of them are already known to us.
Nothing new.
All in all, my guess is that, he is around 2000 untitiled player. That is!!
And I guess that you are a BS.
Smerdon, 2525 : revolutionise chess
Welling, 2400 : revolutionary knowledge
Ostriker, 2561 correspondence: very new ideas
Other reviewers: fully original
DumbBoss, around 2000, but maybe much weaker OTB: nothing new...
We know you are stupid, yeah, we know it.