There is probably a rule to cover this, but what about other indications that a player wants to move to a certain square? What if the player first writes down Nh4 before he moves? Or what if he mutters h4? Is he allowed to change his mind under those circumstances?
Touch Move Violation at TOP CHESS EVENT
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YouEvenLiftBro wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
There is probably a rule to cover this, but what about other indications that a player wants to move to a certain square? What if the player first writes down Nh4 before he moves? Or what if he mutters h4? Is he allowed to change his mind under those circumstances?
11.5 is a general rule against distracting your opponent. Some of the ways of doing that are set out in more detail elsewhere. So yes, it is prohibited.
11.5 It is forbidden to distract or annoy the opponent in any manner whatsoever. This
includes unreasonable claims, unreasonable offers of a draw or the introduction
of a source of noise into the playing area
What if he has Tourrettes and has no physical or mental ability to not mutter his intention? I know it's far fetched, but it doesn't seem like someone with that disability would be barred from competition.
I was just wondering if that, or writing a move down first but then later erasing it and choosing a different move were allowed.
Nov 6, 2023
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GBTGBA wrote:
No one needs to know about the touch move rule! This thread was made by a Fide Master who actually looked up the facts.
chesswhizz9 wrote:
GBTGBA wrote:
No one needs to know about the touch move rule! This thread was made by a Fide Master who actually looked up the facts.
The thread was made by a FIDE Master who does not understand the touch move (an IM/IA said that the actions as stated were legal and the IA status is a lot more significant than the IM title). As I said before, over the past four decades I've had to explain tournament rules to GMs/IMs/FMs/NMs because their assumptions about certain tournament rules were erroneous. A titled player is very good on analyzing positions and knowing how the pieces move but I've had dozens of cases over the years where they did not correctly know some of the less used rules on tournament procedures (many, many dozens if you add in pairing misperceptions).
Two weekends ago I had to correct a GM's misperception about one of the rules regarding draws.
jetoba wrote:
chesswhizz9 wrote:
GBTGBA wrote:
No one needs to know about the touch move rule! This thread was made by a Fide Master who actually looked up the facts.
The thread was made by a FIDE Master who does not understand the touch move (an IM/IA said that the actions as stated were legal and the IA status is a lot more significant than the IM title). As I said before, over the past four decades I've had to explain tournament rules to GMs/IMs/FMs/NMs because their assumptions about certain tournament rules were erroneous. A titled player is very good on analyzing positions and knowing how the pieces move but I've had dozens of cases over the years where they did not correctly know some of the less used rules on tournament procedures (many, many dozens if you add in pairing misperceptions).
Two weekends ago I had to correct a GM's misperception about one of the rules regarding draws.
I think this is very similar to other specialty fields. Often the worlds very finest golfers are clueless about certain rules. They may be the very best at what they do, but basically none of them have a full understanding of all 600 pages of the official rules of golf. There is usually an entire committee dedicated to interpreting and applying the rules and normally the players don't even pretend to know or understand them all. If there is any question at all, they will rely on the experts.
Nov 6, 2023
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As others have said, the rules are quite clear. If you don't release the piece but do go on to move it to another square, it's not a touch move violation. Pragg's actions were completely legit.
While nothing needs to be said beyond that, I wonder how the OP imagines his understanding of this rule is even supposed to work. Suppose Pragg were to move the knight halfway to the h4 square? Would that show intent to move to that square? What about three quarters of the way? Or one quarter of the way? Ninety percent of the way? Nintety-five percent? Do you imagine that arbiters want to be in the business of adjudicating disputes about where someone intended to move a piece? This is why the threshold is whether or not your release the piece, which is the clearest possible threshold and therefore the one least like to produce disputes or necessitate judgment calls.
I believe you have a slight misunderstanding of the ruleset. As other people have already said, you are only bound to move the piece, not make the move. I imagine because an argument could be made in this case if you bump a square on accident as well as it being unnecessary. Nothing is stated about the move itself. You have confused "released on a square" with "touched a square".
One more thing.
If merely touching a legal destination square determined a move then a people that grab a rook (or bishop or queen) and simply slid it along the open squares to the destination would find themselves bound to moving the piece to the first square they were sliding along.
kingandqueen2017 wrote:
Recently, I watched a YouTube video on the recently concluded Grand Chess Prix.
Here, I watched GM Praggnanda face off against GM Deac-Bogdan in an elite chess tournament. Let's keep in mind that both players are doing extremely well at this point. White eventually won the game, but I believe this result should have been the opposite. Before I explain to you what happened, it is imperative for us to look into what the touch move is.
As defined per Arbiter Handbook: 4.8 A player forfeits his right to claim against his opponent’s violation of Articles4.1 – 4.7 once the player touches a piece with the intention of moving orcapturing it
In other words, it emphasizes that once a player touches a piece with the intent of moving it (as the White GM did), they are bound by that move, assuming it is legal.
At 3:46, (3 minutes, 46 seconds of the video,) Pragganda physically moves his knight to h4, (a blunder that loses a piece instantly), which would've instantly lost the game had he played it. His opponent (Bogdan-Deac) is away from the board.
He doesn't release the piece from his hand, yet he physically moves the piece over the board and switches his move mid-way. This automatically is an indecent act at best, and at worst, a violation of the fair rules of tournament play.
When White moved their knight physically to h4, they signified that they were willing to play that move. The arbiter handbook emphasizes that once a player has touched a piece while moving it, they are bound to make that move, assuming it is legal.
Did Pragganda make that move mid-way? Was the move legal?
All the answers to the above are yes.
nah
1, Why is this thread still active? 2: How can an FM not know how the rules of chess work?
kingandqueen2017 wrote:
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I think something more accurate is: nice hate dm you sent me maybe TOS won't like that one...
Nov 19, 2023
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#35
chainlincfence wrote:
I think something more accurate is: nice hate dm you sent me maybe TOS won't like that one...
chainlincfence
it seems you didnt understood the thread
thats why its stil here so peaple like you can make us some
informative learning
who is TOS
kingandqueen2017 wrote:
I watched GM Praggnanda face off against GM Deac-Bogdan
It's amazing how you butchered both names.
kingandqueen2017 wrote:
[Removed: Offensive] ~W
I like @chainlincfence 
TheDuck wrote:
kingandqueen2017 wrote:
[Removed: Offensive] ~W
I like @chainlincfence
Thx my g. 
[Removed: Offensive] ~W is mostly just funny to laugh at tbh. He did say some pretty nasty stuff in DMs tho lmao
kingandqueen2017 wrote:
[Removed: Offensive] ~W
Just hope you don't go for IM because you might get an arbiter called on ya in your first tourney!
he didn't violate the rules. he didn't release the piece. and he made a legal move with the peice he touched.