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True or false? Chess will never be solved! why?

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Xmcp

I say true, because I think any good strategical game plan/variation you or anyone can think of to slove chess has already been deeply analyzed. I am not talking about an opening trap that "you" might have invented, but I'm speaking about a strategical game plan to solve chess. Though I am not 100% sure about that "chess cannot be solved" and I am also not 100% sure that every thing you can think of has already been analyzed.(Though here's a Tip: If u want to solve chess, first be the greatest chessplayer "in history", and then solve ALL the variations of chess (tactical and positional study) against the strategical game plan u'v got, then problem solved!...Lol! :)... ... ...)

AndyClifton

Certainly it seems like this question will never be solved...

honinbo_shusaku

I think if it becomes a matter of life and death, chess will get solved. Scientists all over the globe will put their heads together backed with tremendous investments by governments and corporations. Chess will get solved in no time and it will be death to chess itself.

Right now there isn't enough incentive to put that kind of investment into solving chess. In fact, chess organizations and chess-related companies prefer not to solve chess so that chess will remain fun and they continue existing.

cabadenwurt

I would like to solve the problem with my Chequing account ( Darn thing keeps draining itself ).

AndyClifton

"True or false?  Cabby will never be solvent!  why?" Laughing

Casual_Joe

They said that a computer would never be small enough to fit into a single room.  Now we have 100000 times the computing power on our smart phone as they had in the original supercomputers.  Chess will certainly be solved, it's just a question of when.  And the argument about the number of atoms in the universe doesn't hold -- quantum computers are based on subatomic particles, and there are plenty of those to go around!

cabadenwurt

Oh that is easy to answer. They haven't given me a big lottery prize yet. Laughing 

Casual_Joe
Moses2792796 wrote:
Casual_Joe wrote:

They said that a computer would never be small enough to fit into a single room.  Now we have 100000 times the computing power on our smart phone as they had in the original supercomputers.  Chess will certainly be solved, it's just a question of when.  And the argument about the number of atoms in the universe doesn't hold -- quantum computers are based on subatomic particles, and there are plenty of those to go around!

This is what I thought, although it still seems somewhat implausible that we could develop technology that could store that amount of data.

Electricity, internal combustion engines, and modern medicine all seemed implausible to the ancient romans as well!  I'm not saying it'll be solved soon, but eventually, unless the Second Coming occurs first!

Rnewms

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134672-harvard-cracks-dna-storage-crams-700-terabytes-of-data-into-a-single-gram

Data storage is not the problem.

AndyClifton
Moses2792796 wrote:
I think the next 100 years or so will be a fairly uncertain time for humanity.

Gotta keep ducking all of these things:

Xmcp

I am going to open up in a new thread about someone who could have solved but did not solve chess.

AndyClifton

Sherlock Holmes?

Seraphimity

with perfect play it is a clear win for white and eventually this will be proven.  The arguement that black can make the first best move as in he can respond the white's move and therefore know the proper defense is wrong as white can simply play a3 and defer the iniative to black.  Statistically white win's more and in each game white has lost/drawn I am sure there is point in the game where had white played differently would have won.  Is there such a game where at no point from say e4 white had no chance to wrest the advantage and win?

bbarron2

Please, exactly,what is this chest problem that needs solving. I'm only a beginner and would appreciate an answer.

ponz111

The term "chess will never be solved" is ambigous. What does it mean?

If the question is "is chess a draw with perfect play on both sides?" the answer is "yes". 

learningthemoves
bbarron2 wrote:

Please, exactly,what is this chest problem that needs solving. I'm only a beginner and would appreciate an answer.

Well first off, it's chess. Chess itself. (What they haven't figured out yet though is that chess isn't the problem, it's the solution already solved.) but I'm also only a beginner, so I haven't figured it out yet either. 

Seraphimity
Moses2792796 wrote:

@Seraphimity, this is simply not true.  First of all, until chess is solved there is no way of proving beyond any doubt whether chess is a win for white or a draw, however almost all strong players believe that a game without any mistakes will result in a draw.

I just think that when chess is solved even if its a 150 years from now, that for the most part yes it is a draw.. I can't help but feel that there will be this one anamolistic opening sequence where thru a quirk of pawn advancement and promotion or a rapid exchange of minor pieces leaving a won endgame.  I don't believe any and all opens for white will yield a win.  I'm saying there is a single golden sequence that will yield an unstopable win.  It just seems to be the way of the universe,, if the rule is a draw,, then there will be that one exception

M-W-R
Moses2792796 wrote:

I heard a while ago that it is physically impossible for chess to be solved because there is not enough room in the universe to store that amount of data (ie. because there are more possibilities than the number of atoms in the universe), I was somewhat skeptical of this idea but I would like to hear other's opinions on it. 

Having said that I would not be at all surpised if many of the major variations are completely solved within 50 years.


Yeah, according to the Law of Conservation of matter, there are a finite amount of atoms, but amount of chess moves and position...endless. Laughing

bbarron2

For the mathematicians perhaps the answer lies in Godel's theorem

TheGrobe

Never strongly. Beyond computational capabilities -- any, not just ours.

Possibly weakly, but not likely. If so, it will be quantum computing.