its quite simple black is winning in material after qxg4 and von scheve missed Bxf2 I think he probably thought he had rxf2 but missed after nxf2# its mate. he probably thought the worse he could get is a draw and qxg4 was lost.
Von Scheve - Teichmann Berlin 1907 16. Why doesn’t white Q take black Knight??
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Thanks ... I’m still not sure I’m much the wiser (and thanks for posting game ... realised after I should have done that ... all still very new!) : )
I think the point is that, after 16 Qxg4 Qxg4+, it would be an extra knight and bishop against an extra queen and two pawns. 16 Nf3 looks plausible if one does not notice the possibility of 16...Qg3+ 17 Kh1 Bxf2 18 Rxf2 Nxf2#.
Ah!! I understand now thanks. I suppose being new to studying chess, I’m naively thinking ‘take, take take’ as as opposed to strategic and tactical placement. Thank you again ...
Pretty old thread, but anyway, got Chernev’s book also these days and noticed some "problems":
As kindaspongey wrote:
"...if one does not notice the possibility of 16...Qg3+ 17 Kh1 Bxf2 18 Rxf2 Nxf2#."
Well - 18. Rxf2 would be just a big blunder !
Same blunder as to give up for white ... :-O
Although this match from 1907 endet 0:1 just after 17. ... Bxf2, this match was pretty much equal(!), although it looks like white might be in real trouble.
But after 18. Bxf7+(!!!) Kf8 (or Ke7 or Kxf7, it really doesn't matter), it's pretty much balanced:
And after a few more moves ...
19. Bf4 Qxf4
20. Bh5 Nf6
21. Rxf2 Nxh5
22. Qd5 ... it's pretty obvious, that it's equal !
So even a Chess Master like Theodor von Scheve with an estimated 2669 historical ELO might not see a simple move, when he gets heavily attacked. Sometime, a litte counter attack is all what's needed ;-)
Jul 17, 2024
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The material imbalance here is a queen for two minor pieces. Neither of which is developed, neither of which are ready to defend white's king.
So already, materially, white is down. But not only is he down materially, his king is completely unsafe (just look at it!), he has lost two pawns in front of that king, and his opponent is a good player.
The thing is, that these types of positions are inherently unwinnable. It is a type of thinking you need to get used to - "If I arrive in this type of position, there is no way my opponent is losing. So therefore I need to play something else." You will see this type of thinking recurring along the book.
It is a good way to prune variations while calculating.
Help!! I quite new to the game and have been working through the first game in Chernev’s Logical Chess (Von Scheve - Teichmann Berlin 1907). I can’t for the life of me work out why at 16. White didn’t go Qxg4 (Black’s Knight) - I’m sure it’s straight forward ... but it’s driving me nuts - what have I missed?!
Thanks in advance
Robin