Was Bobby Fischer crazy?

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iainlim
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daggaz

Fischer was a strategic genius who understood far more about the machinations of global politics than any normal person.  He said things that were true, and as the truth is most often unacceptable to the public, and speaking the truth is unacceptable to the elite, he was condemned and branded as an insane person.  Did he get a bit paranoid over the years? Sure, who doesn't knowing what he knew and living a life as a global pariah. 

SonOfThunder2
mastermurda1 wrote:

He needed meds..

At least you and him have one thing in common...

Lipsham

Pretty sure he was. but also a genius- I have to say I was somewhat influenced by the movie. He definitely had some traits of paranoid schizophrenia, didn`t he?  Delusions about the CIA etc trying to get him, and it seems a lack of ability to look after himself- but perhaps he wasn`t completely crazy, because I think America was out to get him to some extent- they ordered his arrest after he broke some law by playing in Yugoslavia. I think he was on the edge, and the fact that he became famous, and then started talking shit about America, drew attention from people in high places, who had also paid him to play and supported him, so I wouldn`t be surprised if they were after him to some extent, which would feed into his delusions.

ed1975
tygorius wrote:

 

Media attention or not, Carlsen and numerous other world champions are vastly superior to Fischer in one important respect: they are true champions who kept playing chess after winning the crown. 

 

SnowyTheWolf

He was?

adelmahmoudfarouk

hello I think he was mentally I'll

universityofpawns

Mental state - he was paranoid!!

Fischer, like Morphy, chose to stop playing when he was still young. He had a lifelong history of disputes, conflicts and controversy. He believed he was the victim of conspiracies. Fischer showed symptoms of the mental illness paranoia, similar to Morphy.[11] In Bobby Fischer: The Wandering King, authors Hans Böhm and Kees Jongkind write that Fischer's radio broadcasts show that he was "out of his mind ... a victim of his own mental illness".[5]

Here's the link:

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Fischer

Gabriel451

there is a very thin line between genius and being schizophrenic it's how the brain draws lines between patterns and thins but the difference is that the schizophrenic can only see the wrong line in most cases and the genius sees both

SonOfThunder2
SonOfThunder2 wrote:
mastermurda1 wrote:

He needed meds..

At least you and him have one thing in common...

SeniorPatzer
YEFTAAAAAAAAAAAAAA wrote:
lutak22 wrote:

Was Bobby Fischer crazy?

he is a first champion GM from Usa. bravoo

 

Murphy was.  Unofficially anyways.  

Gerberk8

Robert Fischer was a genius that is totally different from crazy...

HalfSicilin

You're ridiculous, you troll.

Pondisoulenso

The word crazy is too imprecise, and allows for too many loose meanings, judgments and connotations. 

There are more specific questions that could be asked. 

Is the intention to understand, or to judge, dismiss, or label? 

A few points about Fischer: he had a father figure in his life when he was a boy (his real father was not around). It is clear that he bonded with him, in the way many young boys bond with a father or father figure. When that father said some insensitive and critical things about him, and those things were repeated publicly, he felt very betrayed. (You can find an interview online, in Iceland, in which he talks about it openly and emotionally, choking up and saying things along the lines of "that really hurt.")

He generalized the betrayal to all Jews (the father figure was Jewish). That is a fairly common mistake -- generalizing from a wrong, or a perceived wrong, committed by a person(s) belonging to one ethnicity (or race, or gender, or other group) to the group in general. It is not "crazy."

Many of Fischer's eccentricities or seeming "crazinesses" follow this pattern. 

It seems better to be understanding of others and respectful of them as fellow human beings, rather than merely to label. 

Goth123

Chess.com does not have free speech. Look for the answers on  Gab.ai

Itzserenamoore

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Pondisoulenso

I've had some very very close friends who were mentally ill. Diagnosed as such. Medicated (unless they went off their meds, which is common and allows the conditions to be in "florid" [interesting term, and often used by mental health professionals to describe certain phases that schizophrenics and their symptoms and behaviors typically go through] fullness of bloom) ("blooming mad" -- schizophrenia in full bloom).

I also have a graduate degree in psychology. 

I can say with high confidence that Fischer was not on this level at all. Not even close. 

He was eccentric and intelligent, and he was very wounded. 

He did not handle hurt, anger, and resentment (woundedness) well; and he had a lot of serious hurts, anger, and resentment. 

That in itself can be (and usually is) at least somewhat "crazy-making." 

But that is very different from truly crazy. 

People who haven't lived with it long-term,  close-up, first-hand, in-person do not know the true meaning of such craziness as real schizophrenia. They have no feel for how extreme and intense, and how wild and foreign and other-worldly these sorts of conditions are. 

 

 

 

RonaldJosephCote

    Or how little it takes to trigger them off Pondi. wink.png        To the post above you......Mr Goth.....we DO have Free Speech.....https://www.chess.com/club/free-speech

SeniorPatzer

Donald Trump > Angela Merkel.

Titled_Patzer

Fischer had his fillings removed. It was either the CIA or the KGB that was sending his teeth signals. Either way, why take any chances? Crazy? Depends on your definition. It is fact he had his fillings removed.