Yeah, I agree with urk, Trump was the lesser of evils, the Bushes and the Clintons are the same thing basically, extremely corrupt politicians in it for themselves....throw the country under the bus, we had really bad choices all around this time.
True. Trump is bad but Hilary is worse.
Funny how this post went from Alexandra Kosteniuk to dress code to Trump. A lot of things seem to end up in Trump now.
Interesting cheers uni. The voter turnout graph has some funny peaks and troughs. Only around 50% turnout at the time of the great depression, I guess confidence in politicians was eroded.
wow Telestu, I thought you were a liberal??? and you are talking about voter repression???? do you actually believe that non- citizens should not vote too??? Of course the system is designed for that not to be proven.....non-citizens can get licenses in many states and in many states you can vote with just a license...so draw your own conclusions.
I'm for things that make sense. Denying the right to vote may not make sense, or an intelligence test may make sense but lead to bad things in the future. I'm not for whatever a political party happens to think is correct.
No, of course non-citizens should not be allowed to vote. It also makes sense to deport illegal immigrants. And a travel ban for certain nationalities or even religions? I'd be fine with that if it makes sense. The media acts like it's automatically bad without even discussing it (of course Trump's ban is stupid, but a different one might be good).
Another thing that doesn't make sense is Trump believing every illegal vote was cast against him. To him, voter fraud isn't about democracy, it's about his image. He wants to have won as big as possible. By the way one week he was saying it was 3 million. The next he was saying 5. He's obviously just making up numbers. (In fact I'd love for someone to give me a single quote where Trump gives a specific number or percentage that is accurate because even after ~2 years I doubt it exists.)
Bottom line, if Trump has evidence of massive voter fraud, then present it. When asked to do this in interviews it's Trump who starts talking out of his ass.
As I recall he eventually said "look, it's not important . . . " then he pivoted to a related, but separate issue.
Wait, I found it, he said "forget all that" (the millions who supposedly voted for Hillary illegally) and started talking about dead people and illegal immigrants who are registered.
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It was about 60%, but official number is not in, actually that is on the high side historically, here are some links:
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-voter-turnout-records-history-obama-clinton-2016-11
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/turnout.php