he is trying to think it out for himself ? but is unaware he never makes any progress ?
What it's really like being a female chess player.
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can't help but wonder if females make too much of sexism. face it. there are difference between how men an women think and behave. if a man decided to join an all girls synchronized swim team he knows what kind of reaction he'll get. if he doesn't get harassment from the girls you know he'll catch it from the guys .
Mar 23, 2016
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MikeCrockett wrote:
can't help but wonder if females make too much of sexism. face it. there are difference between how men an women think and behave. if a man decided to join an all girls synchronized swim team he knows what kind of reaction he'll get. if he doesn't get harassment from the girls you know he'll catch it from the guys .
Sexism is a form of bigotry and it's very very very prevelant in the world. So prevelant that you come to ignore it, until some days you just want to scream. On those days, the days you do scream, men say that you're disturbing their peace...
a man in an all-girls synchronized swim team ? he may be pretty and elegant but he'll get the team disqualified!
Mar 23, 2016
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#226
trysts wrote:
MikeCrockett wrote:
can't help but wonder if females make too much of sexism. face it. there are difference between how men an women think and behave. if a man decided to join an all girls synchronized swim team he knows what kind of reaction he'll get. if he doesn't get harassment from the girls you know he'll catch it from the guys .
Sexism is a form of bigotry and it's very very very prevelant in the world. So prevelant that you come to ignore it, until some days you just want to scream. On those days, the days you do scream, men say that you're disturbing their peace...
And they'd be right.
* turns around and looks for cover
theonlycatintheworld wrote:
exactly my point
a man in an all-girls synchronized swim team ? he may be pretty and elegant but he'll get the team disqualified!
Mar 23, 2016
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#228
I don't know if there's a name for it, but harassment that tries to maintain social norms can be observed even outside of humans re: man joining woman's swim team.
As a policy (so to speak) it's useful overall to society, but sometimes change is good too.
Behavioral differences and sexism are 2nd the 3rd different topics.
People should expect behavioral differences, people should expect at least some initial harassment for acting outside of norms, but "make too much of sexism" is a little cold hearted I think.
not cold hearted at all. just a fact of life. no one says you can't play chess because you're a girl. if you choose to participate in a male dominated activity you should expect to also deal with male behavior. same thing applies to a guy who chooses to participate in a female dominated activity. sexual harassment is illegal but sexism isn't.
Mar 23, 2016
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#230
In my formative years, {and even beyond}; I was oblivious, to the fact, that my 'staring'..{often prolonged}, at girls, I considered attractive; Was, as much as a 'fallback position' turn-on habit, for me; As, a 'turn-off' to them!
.. And, yes; I Still do, have a milder form of {a-hem}..'autism' to some; But, 'man-of-few-words'.. to others. 0:
Mar 23, 2016
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#232
To OP:
In your OP post you describe a chess player who told you that you won because of your cleavage - which is obviously sexual abuse.
Obviously...
Except that SOME chess players, when they lose, are not very sportsmanlike, and would use EVERYTHING in their power to offend the winner.
So in your case, because you had one, it was the CLEAVAGE.
In other cases, it would be something else.
The attack was not sexual - just "sour grapes" on losing the game.
Male chess players also have to face that, when they "dare" to win against such players. It's exactly the same thing. The "sexual" part isn't really the issue in this case. It's more the "sore loser" thing.
About the other things you write I agree. Sexual harassment isn't pretty.
Mar 23, 2016
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#233
MikeCrockett wrote:
not cold hearted at all. just a fact of life. no one says you can't play chess because you're a girl. if you choose to participate in a male dominated activity you should expect to also deal with male behavior. same thing applies to a guy who chooses to participate in a female dominated activity. sexual harassment is illegal but sexism isn't.
Hey thanks! So I should just expect any behaviour that's not illegal and quit whining about it, right? Gotcha!
Mar 23, 2016
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#235
I wonder what it would be, from the female perspective, if I released a mouse in the tournament hall, because all of the grils would jump up on chairs and scream or pull their petticoats over their heads and run away, and you can't play good chess like that.
weaker sex, you know.
Having played in chess tournaments, I would imagine there would be a lot of male screams and leaping onto chairs.
Mar 23, 2016
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#237
Who needs to trouble themselves with sexism anymore when DaveyCrockett will help with one of his brilliant swim team analogies and point out the law? Hallelujah!
If you play chess opponents other than computers you must play males and females. If you are there to only play chess it should be appropriate for both sexes. Chess pieces are identical, black or white. That should give you motivation and focus.
Watch these two try to play a game of chess.
Please don't believe it is only happening to you or to women.
Mar 23, 2016
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#239
JDA1958 wrote:
Having played in chess tournaments, I would imagine there would be a lot of male screams and leaping onto chairs.
I think if they ever saw the business side of a petticoat that they would be passing out.
Elubas wrote:
bigpoison wrote:
Whatever dude. You're known for obfuscating your radical views with wishy-washy verbiage.
The ridicule is not because of the verbiage, but the underlying prejudice wrapped in a cloak of tolerance.
Right, ridicule could never be the fault of the ridiculer. What you call obfuscation actually takes a lot of self-reflection. When I qualify my statements, well, the only way I can do that is to consider other points of view with almost every point I make. That is putting in a ton of effort in looking at the other side. You think that's fun? lol. I consider it a necessary part of understanding my own view. Because frankly I care about that. More so than ridiculing those who disagree with me. I respond fairly to people's points, including yours, rather than ridicule your style, for example.
So... yeah, I think it's kind of a problem that, not only do people really want to ridicule an opposing view, when a person doesn't do that for a change, it's considered obfuscation, rather than progress. That's kind of sad. I do none of the ridiculing (ok, search all of my posts for an exception, then forget about my point completely as always), but I'm blamed when I am ridiculed. I think that's kinda dickish, and shows clearly who's not putting in effort to be understanding, but ok, that's life.
I would say, it's a perfectly valid thing to take issue with my views, but to try to turn the extremely careful way in which I express them into a negative, rather than the complete opposite, it is a bit sad. There's a massive difference between liking a person's view and liking the way in which that person expresses it.
Descartes would like to have a word with you:
"I did not imitate the sceptics who doubt only for doubting's
sake, and pretend to be always undecided; on the contrary,
my whole intention was to arrive at a certainty, and to dig
away the drift and the sand until I reached the rock or the clay
beneath."
there is no such thing as "what it's really like being a female chessplayer"; the experience is different for every woman; as every experience of everything is different for every person. I can't stand it when people try to make generalizations about half the population
I agree with you, ab! Marking that down on the calendar
You're not sexist, ab. Just for today. :)
Now if I said that, I'd be, apparently, obfuscating the fact that women suffer injustices or something like that :) Even though I can quite easily acknowledge that women do suffer through injustices.