Be that as it may, I had a score to settle with that Neanderthal. Enjoy your debate.
What would be the rating of a top chess player in the late 1800s today
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Justs99171 wrote:
leiph18 wrote:
It's because I knew Morphy moved quickly that I compared his best tactics to the best blitz tactics of 12 year old titled players.
I'm comparing them when I say the average player can't solve either even if they had a long time to think.
IMO it's stupid, but understandably so, to say Morphy had the most talent ever. Morphy is much more visible because he was the best of his time. Today's super talents get lost in the crowd.
Morphy memorized most of Louisiana law code verbatim. Do you understand how extraordinary this is? It is hardlry stupid to say that Morphy was the most talented ever. It is a myth that Fischer remembered every game that he ever played, including blitz. However, the reality of Morphy's memory even dwarfs the myth of Fischer. No body in chess history even compares to Morphy. If you want to find a comparable genius, you would have to look to music.
Pillsbury was no slouch. Look up some of his accomplishments.
Ziryab wrote:
Magikstone wrote:
Nobody made a big deal when Anand was champion. Suddenly some white guy in Norway is "champion" supposively the best chess player ever, and he appears on all these shows, even modeling. I really feel chess is living out the soviet times, where players are told to lose to Carlsen to make everyone believe in the superiority of Magnus.
Seriously, dude. I cannot get the weed you're smoking even though it is legal where I live.
Bullseye.
MuhammadAreez10 wrote:
I can't imagine what's up to these Morphy-worshippers who consistently claim that Morphy would be a Super GM today. Nonsense. Morphy would be a Grandmaster with a rating of about 2500-2550. Maybe even less. There wasn't much competition back then.
Whatever the competition was back then, Morphy beat easily most of it. So i think he'd do the same in whatever era, duh. Maybe it was an even greater accomplishment to be so great without much competition, if you think about it.
leiph18 wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
Morphy in particular would have simply walked away.
+1 right back at you heh.
I think psychology is an important aspect. Saying "well lets assume he was super motivated" to me is like saying "lets assume his memory was much better." It's just not reasonable.
oh, i see, these are unreasonable, but bringing him from the grave and pitting him against modern theory is reasonable xD lol
and his memory was indeed super-amazing! which is one of the stronger points of todays GMs, ya know...
Apr 5, 2015
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#907
SmyslovFan wrote:
Sonas started from the premise that all world champions were at least 2700 strength. Take a look at who else was +2600 according to Sonas. His estimations are a joke.
Elo's estimations are more serious but he admitted he made numerous assumptions about the quality of play that may not be true.
Kenneth Regan actually compared the quality of play and not just the results to demonstrate a reliable method for measuring players in different eras.
Where are Regan's retro-ratings?
Where are the trolls?
So you guys think Morphy would have been the best blitz player of all time? 5 min each side no time increment.
Bronstein.
Siegbert Tarrasch is better than Bronstein!
5iegbert_7arrasch pats Magikstone.
Apr 5, 2015
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#913
Capa was legendary at blitz and, of course, brilliant crazy Bobby.
Magikstone wrote:
So you guys think Morphy would have been the best blitz player of all time? 5 min each side no time increment.
People don't know what globalization is? If Magnus Carlsen was born in 1800 his record after 20 years old would be +1000-2=10
There was less competition.
Apr 5, 2015
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#915
Yes, well, I could offer the observation that moderns have the advantage of having learned from ancients, but they had no opportunities of learning from us. It is literally true that I understand issues of mathematics that confused Gaussian and aspects of relativity better than Einstein. But it would be absurd for me to think that my intellect was remotely like theirs. Such is progress.
dark_837 wrote:
People don't know what globalization is? If Magnus Carlsen was born in 1800 his record after 20 years old would be +1000-2=10
There was less competition.
Fine was a good blitz player also.
Being that the inteligence/stupidity of man has not change in the last 50K years, I suspect his ability to understand the game of chess has not changed much either.
Apr 5, 2015
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#919
Human intelligence increased dramatically when we learned to read. That was less than 10K years ago.
I definitely disagree with him, but I honestly didn't mean that post to say he's dumb. Just that no matter what, one of us is. I'm not perfect, I believe dumb things all the time (I'd bet).