what's the main difference between a 1300 and a 1800 player?

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shell_knight

Hmm... I'll have to remember not to get too frustrated then.  It seems everyone has their kryptonite so to speak.

Mysound

I'll be helpful, as hard as it is to resist otherwise Tongue Out

the answer is there is no 1 answer.  a players strengths and weaknesses determine their rating..and since we are humans- and not robots- we all have different strengths and weaknesses. I can give you a cpl of short generalizations though- and thats all GNERALIZATIONS.

GENERALLY speaking, it is tactics that seperate the 1300 and 1800 players.  I would take that a little deepr and say the higher up from 1300 you go, the more important a factor endgame understanding is.  THEN, once you've mastered basic tactic recognition/attack formation, have a solid understanding what specific outcomes in the endgame equal either a win, loss or draw (if you dont know the winning positions of chess, how you supposed to reach those wins?) , and of course HOW TO EXECUTE AND CONVERT THOSE ENDGAMES,  Well, now you should be at a higher level than 1800, and from here on up POSITIONAL UNDERSTANDING will become the ever increasing factor in determining the difference 0f strength.  For example, an FM vs GM is likely to be determined by positional means, where as a 1600ish players will almost always be determined by tactics, atleast in my experience. 

I know this is a superficial topic, but im interested in any comments for criticism on those general conclusions

Snowcat14

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ParadoxOfNone
JamesRossAllison wrote:

How much positional understanding does a 1300 have?

It depends on what their strengths are....

SilentKnighte5
JamesRossAllison wrote:

How much positional understanding does a 1300 have?

Too much.

Robert_New_Alekhine
SilentKnighte5 wrote:
JamesRossAllison wrote:

How much positional understanding does a 1300 have?

Too much.

Not enough.

Robert_New_Alekhine
Robert0905 wrote:
SilentKnighte5 wrote:
JamesRossAllison wrote:

How much positional understanding does a 1300 have?

Too much.

Not enough.

I agree!

Snowcat14

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Snowcat14

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Akatsuki64

That's a record.

ArthurJoe

one is rated 1300 and one is rated 1800 the rest is a story

DjonniDerevnja

I think the interesting part is how and why the 1300 shal beat the 1800. Obviously a powerful start is a way to go, since the 1800 is more experienced in endgames. 

The 1800 is typically more experienced, when the 1300 often is a player on the way up. My supersmart childfriends doesnt stay long at 1300, maybe for a month or so, and swooosh, they are on 1400, 1500,1600,1700.

Fide 1800 is a level where many good, solid, grown up experienced clubplayers tend to end up, and they can stay there for years, maybe decades.

1300 is a level that belongs to many kids and new players on the way up.

The 1300 have lots of holes in their chessknowledge, but grows into higher rating when filling those holes.

The 1800 doesnt have deep holes.

Akatsuki64
XPLAYERJX wrote:
JamesRossAllison wrote:

No one has said 500 points for 12 posts!

The problem is every1 who says that is not correct becuase they are not reading the heading correctly

what's the main difference between a 1300 and a 1800 player?

Its asking whats the difference between a 1300 player vs. 1800 players, not what is the difference between a 1300 ranking vs. 1800 ranking.

1300 and 1800 are just rankings to try and measure preformance in games. However, that only skimms the surface of what the real differences of the players are.

Which goes back to the answer I previously stated the difference generally involves a individuals understanding.

Which understanding is a broad term I use becuase it encompasses a wild range of situations in chess which makes it fitting to be a broad term

Which I can give some examples of different Understandings:

End game skills

Middle game skills

Opening knowledge

Pawn structure

Specific line's theory's

Opening theory's

Idea's in positions

Coming up with idea's

Being aware of opponents idea's

Mating patterns

Tactical patterns

Positional Understanding

 

These are just a few the list can go further becuase to truly understand one must seek to improve in all aspects of chess.

Which is why generally the player who is higher ranked usually has better Understanding over all. That does not mean he can't lose it just means over all his Understanding is much better.

Numbers have significance.

shell_knight

@ Xplayer

Reminds me of the nemo guy.  Are you him?  I don't remember his rating.

Benzodiazepine

Guess what's the difference?

The 1800 knows all openings. The 1300 on the other hand, does, not.

shell_knight

Talking about a forum poster who would talk at length about some small detail, rambling on until he'd gotten off subject and usually wasn't making much sense the whole time.  You're not quite as incoherent... but for example:

Akatsuki64: "Numbers have significance."

Xplayer: You are simply wrong . . . [huge blah blah blah]. . . Numbers, Statistics, Rankings they have significance. . . and in conclusion something about self esteem.

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So, red part you contradict yourself and blue part you're way off subject.

I_Am_Second

Having been both...

1. Tactics

2. Middlegame Planning

shell_knight

@ X
Yeah, I think your interpretation assumed stuff.  The 500 point stuff was just joking around from my POV.


@ Iam2nd
That's how I see it.  Even if it's a bad plan, 1800 will have one.  I never had a plan at 1300.  And of course tactics.

I_Am_Second
shell_knight wrote:

@ X
Yeah, I think your interpretation assumed stuff.  The 500 point stuff was just joking around from my POV.


@ Iam2nd
That's how I see it.  Even if it's a bad plan, 1800 will have one.  I never had a plan at 1300.  And of course tactics.


Yep....It was middlegame planning that got me to USCF A class.

Robert_New_Alekhine
I_Am_Second wrote:
shell_knight wrote:

@ X
Yeah, I think your interpretation assumed stuff.  The 500 point stuff was just joking around from my POV.


@ Iam2nd
That's how I see it.  Even if it's a bad plan, 1800 will have one.  I never had a plan at 1300.  And of course tactics.


Yep....It was middlegame planning that got me to USCF A class.

Not neceserally better at tactics. At my local chess club, I know a lot of people who are quite good at tactics but no nothing of positional play. Of course if you don't even know tactics, then your rating will be even lower than 1300- more like 1200. If we want to decide about how 1800's are better than 1300's, how about posting some games that 1800's had against 1300's or lower? I will start by posting one of my own games:

                        The game was not long enough to show if the 1300 had any positional qaulities. Another game:

   So far, my opponents were NOT good tactically, but the second was good positionally.... but this might be a special case