When nothing is forced...

@OP

JamalRasheed (1752) vs. Borsuk3 (1858)

According to engines the first mistake was by white at move 15. Qe3

Black also made a mistake after whites mistake on move 16...bxc3

It seems like 16...Bxf6 was better 17.Nd5 e6 18.Nxf6+ Qxf6+

and black has advantage.

<<After 6.Nf3 Chessdatabase and Chess engines believe black does well with 2 moves Bb4 and d6.>>

d6 is known to be bad. You really need to stop quoting this chess engine garbage, X-player. Sorry but that's how it is.

You'd do a lot worse than to try and learn from my comments, since although I'm not the strongest player here, I'm sure I understand more about these positions than others here, since I have been a strong player and I've played them for 20 years and developed some of the lines myself. Pay less attention to your own ideas.

<<In reality white should try to out-fox black by allowing him no chances.

White has the first move in the game. White is playing with the white piece's. White shouldn't have to out-fox black. White should be the one dictating/controlling the game. The only side that should be trying to out-fox is black.>>

I'm sorry to say this but some of your ideas are very poor.

<<White has 2 bishops s(T)acked on the D file in passivity/ purely defensive.>>

Then why did you have white play Bd2? You really don't have a clue as to how white should be playing these positions.

<<White has 2 recommended choices in this position to castle or to play Qd3. Both moves are considered equal evulation is -0.03 and -0.05.>>

Is this more chess engine analysis? Forget chess engines and you might become a stronger player.

<<After 6...Bb4 white has few moves best move seems to be Bc4. Once Bc4 is played d6 seems to be the move recommended.>>

Recommended by what, a chess engine? d6 is probably OK but I expect I'd probably castle. Not that I'd play this line as black, since it doesn't equalise, because, somewhere down the line after all the positional stuff that you don't like and well beyond the chess engine horizon, if white playys it well, black is going to run out of viable moves and find that his position is too static to do anything with other than crawl around hoping for a draw.

<<This position is that of a Najdorf with the luxury of black not having to deal with their issues.>>

How about the permanent pressure white can get by being able to play Ba3? I'm sorry but you need to know more about this opening before your comments are worth anything.

I am sorry Optimissed ;howevever, you are not being objective in your assessement of these position's.

You seem to have taken my analysis/study of these positions as a personal attack for some reason. Which was never my intention. I simply was trying to get to the heart of this position to see if it was in fact playable or not.

You are also trying to degrade me/insult my chess intelligence with such phrases as below

"Is this more chess engine analysis? Forget chess engines and you might become a stronger player."

I told you from the very beginning I was going to use multiple sources to try and get the clearest most accurate reading of this position.

• I used Chess Engine.

Which is the best engine as of yet in 2015 with a ranking of over 3000 which it can beat alot of Strong GM's 1 on 1.

• I used Chess database.

Which only shows a collection of Title player games of ELO rankings 2300+ to 2800+

I even game you a reference to a Judit Polgar game where she faced her sister Zsuzsa Polgar with this Qxd4 line and she won in 1993, Amber-rapid 2nd, Monte Carlo

• I used my own personal assessement.

I have played the Najdorf and I have been trying to study it more. Which is why I figured to do this assessement with this line to see if the idea's could help in further learning of the Najdorf.

• I was also trying to use your own personal suggestion's.

I inputted your recommendations in as well.

I used all of these resources to try and get the clearest reading of this position. My opinion on this matter was completely nuetral. I was wondering about a line I could play and you said d4 was playable which got me interested to find out. I than looked on a few sources chess databases and chess engines and it showed black as better. Which showed a conflict of idea's.

I than proceeded to approach the position as if I was an outsider and everything I was being told was wrong.

I made the assumption that my chess engine might be faulty so I investigated some lines.

I made the assumption that GM/Title players were trying to keep this line as a cover up to hide their secret lines from low level players did further investigation.

I made the assumption that you were completely wrong and ran with investigations of that as well.

I than drawed my attention to the following 2 positions.

This is the Najdorf Sicilian with the first 1-5 move being correct move order with the added twist of reaching a similar position with moves 6&7.

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This is the O'Kelly Sicilian with the  4.Nxd4

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I am not the greatest chess player in the world. I will be the first to admit it. However, when you compare the position's. The dark bishop on b4 is alot stronger/better than on e7 blocked by its own pawn's and piece's.

The knight on c3 in 99% of all the sicilians is considered the GLUE that holds the white position together.

It is considered to be whites strongest piece in this position. In fact it is considered so strong black players in alot of sicilian lines do a Positional Exchange Sacrifice. They sac their rook on c8 for the knight on c3.

They do so with the following compensation

1. They take out the very strong knight
2. They often follow this up with knocking out a center e4 pawn
3. They ruin whites pawn structure.

In return white proves to agrue that the Rook Sacrifice which is made does not have enough compensation for the loss of a Rook. An usually the battle between white and black lies on which side can prove otherwise.

However, In this position I believe black has a very subtle threat that is positionally crushing. The threat black has is simply to play Bxc3.

Trading off their bishop which normally is passive for the strong c3 knight. Instead of using a rook sac for the knight they just do a trade of minor piece's!

As soon as that knight on c3 falls e4 is a target.

Blacks knight on f6 naturally attacks e4.

If the white pawn recaptures on c3 than when black plays Rc8 which is normal developing move. He will than have a target on the Open C File.

How do you plan on dealing with this loss? The knight is pinned. What move can you play to deal with this threat?

The gentleman doth protest too strongly.  Sorry.

Post #2 has it about right -- "The more you study endgames, the less (this) happens."

you're on the money X_J. other guys are hopeless at teaching stuff so they try to drag you down and pretend they are fledgling GMs. they would be advised to suck it up, but no need to hold your breath.

Well Thank you for your comment.

It is considered to be whites strongest piece in this position. In fact it is considered so strong black players in alot of sicilian lines do a Positional Exchange Sacrifice.>>

On the contary, white is very happy to give up the N. The exchange sac is usually better when white castles Qs. Here, white rarely castles Qs because of b7-b5 and a ready made attack. White is going to castle Ks and attack on either side of the board, with either pawns or pieces.

All I did was to make a series of short posts objecting to some of the assumptions that your asssessments seem to depend upon.

The way white should play against this e5 O'Kelly is to clamp down on the position and tempt black to open the game with d5 and become over-extended. Provided white's pieces are far more active than black's, white has no need to protect his pawn formation, since doubled pawns in these positions can be an aid to both open lines and supporting advanced pieces. White breaks his pawn formation and tries to force black to exchange again in such a way that white's position becomes even stronger. Black has several generic weak points in his game. Typically, h7, g7, f7, d6, and also the c file and the a file if white opens it. Probably more that merely those weaknesses. c5 can be very weak and suitable for white to strongpoint, for instance.

no idea how he can criticize X_J after that post!

Incidentally, as well as Nb3 and Nf5, after e5 N f5 may also be played. When I used to play this e5 O'Kelly, several players in the NW of England worked out a system for playing Nf5 against me. It's actually rather good. Haven't you considered it? All in all, as soon as I gave up playing e5, I started winning far more games.

I thought not!

it's a great author that is able to take feedback on his posts and handle object criticism. I'll take a guess you've never tried that Octopussed ? X_J really knows how to do up a great post. my chess is improving fast thanks to him.

What you share in common in Smelroch is the idea that you're posts are out of this world intelligent.