When will I stop improving?

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maxkho2
Contenchess wrote:

I guess I should have scrolled down a little farther in your game archive 😉 10 minutes is a good time control but people have been saying 2200 in rapid is where it starts to get hard so we'll see if your improvement slows down.

True, I've noticed that some of the 2200s and 2300s are really strong. But that won't stop me from beating them in the near future, hopefully happy.png

Larra2801
maxkho2 wrote:

Ever since I picked up chess, it didn't take much for my playing strength to increase. All I had to do was play some games, watch some YouTube, and wait for a set amount of time... and then whoosh! I'm suddenly stronger by 100 elo points. I never even knew what it was that got better in my game ─ I just started beating opponents I struggled with previously and that's it. The improvement just... happened. And it still does! The only thing that changed from my beginner days is the amount of time that it takes for my rating to jump by 100 points ─ it used to take only a few days, then a week, then a couple of weeks, and now it takes about 1-2 months. But the process is exactly the same ─ I don't need to do much to get better.

 

I think you're humblebragging.

maxkho2
Gregorovich49 wrote:
maxkho2 wrote:

Ever since I picked up chess, it didn't take much for my playing strength to increase. All I had to do was play some games, watch some YouTube, and wait for a set amount of time... and then whoosh! I'm suddenly stronger by 100 elo points. I never even knew what it was that got better in my game ─ I just started beating opponents I struggled with previously and that's it. The improvement just... happened. And it still does! The only thing that changed from my beginner days is the amount of time that it takes for my rating to jump by 100 points ─ it used to take only a few days, then a week, then a couple of weeks, and now it takes about 1-2 months. But the process is exactly the same ─ I don't need to do much to get better.

 

I think you're humblebragging.

I don't care what you want to call it. In-person, I would have never asked this question because it would indeed look like humblebragging. But online, people have no idea who I even am, so I don't have to worry about what they think of me. All I wanted to achieve with this post is hear from higher-rated players who have had a similar experience to me but have already reached their point of stagnation. I was just very curious as to when and why that point of stagnation would come about.

Marie-AnneLiz
atharva011 a écrit :

Actually, it's really surprising that you can reach 2200 strength in just 2 years. You could possibly be very talented.

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llama47
maxkho2 wrote:

When can I realistically expect it to stop for me? And once it has stopped, what will I have to do to get even better? Furthermore, what do you think the absolute upper bound is on when I will reach my equilibrium point, and what will it take to have a chance of reaching that upper bound?

For reference, at the time of posting, my rating is 2200 on chess.com, and I have never played rated OTB.

If you look at rating graphs pretty much everyone follows the same pattern, but some end up higher than others. Since that point different for everyone no one can tell you where you'll end up.

To keep improving after stalling you'll have to study each area of the game and become a well rounded player both in knowledge and the types of positions you're able to do well in. The broad topics to study are openings, endgames, strategy, and tactics. As far as being well rounded in performance, if the position requires you to attack can you do that? How about defend? A long maneuvering middlegame? How about an endgame? etc.

Your rate of improvement is well above average, so be encouraged and see how high you can go happy.png

llama47
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

No one reach 2200 or even 2100 USCF or Elo is two years.

The fastest kids I've seen do it in about 2 years OTB... these are kids who go on to become GMs.

But 2200 online is definitely weaker than 2200 OTB.

 

Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

it take 6 to 8 years minimum.

You realize top GMs got the GM title as young teens right? Karjakin was a GM before the age of 13.

Once you realize people don't start until age 6 or 8, all you need is some simple math to realize what can be done in 6-8 years. (Of course these are the most talented kids in the most ideal conditions, and nearly 100% of people are slower, but that's how you get the  benchmark for what's possible).

Marie-AnneLiz

How many get to 2200 OTB in 2 years? one in a million?

I never see anyone get even close to 2200 in two years.

In my country the best started at 6 and he was a master at 11 and an IM at 18 and a GM at 24.

 

 

llama47
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

How many get to 2200 OTB in 2 years? one in a million?

Maybe less, but yeah, that's about right.

But OTB is different. @b1zmark got up to 2300 blitz and 2200 rapid pretty quickly, but then at first couldn't get past 1700 OTB and is currently 1800. Obviously he has potential to improve very quickly there too, but (obviously) there are some different skill sets.

Marie-AnneLiz
atharva011 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
atharva011 a écrit :

Actually, it's really surprising that you can reach 2200 strength in just 2 years. You could possibly be very talented.

No one reach 2200 or even 2100 USCF or Elo is two years.

it take 6 to 8 years minimum.

First off, 2200 rapid on chess.com is what I was talking about. That is about 1500 USCF and 1300 Fide. Second off, working 6 hours a day (of sincere chess) can easily get you to 2000 FIDE in 3 years. 

First no one work 6 hours a day for 3 years in a row.

2100 Fide usually take 6 to 8 years when you start at 5 or 6 like Alex Botez or the IM Aronian...i listen to dozen of interviews of experts and IM.

Three years to get to 2000 Fide..even Fisher took a lot more than that read is story!

llama47
atharva011 wrote:
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
atharva011 a écrit :

Actually, it's really surprising that you can reach 2200 strength in just 2 years. You could possibly be very talented.

No one reach 2200 or even 2100 USCF or Elo is two years.

it take 6 to 8 years minimum.

First off, 2200 rapid on chess.com is what I was talking about. That is about 1500 USCF and 1300 Fide. Second off, working 6 hours a day (of sincere chess) can easily get you to 2000 FIDE in 3 years. 

 - 2200 rapid is not 1500 USCF
 - 1500 USCF is not 1300 FIDE
 - Working 6 hours a day will get different people different places.
 - There is no reliable way to get 2000 FIDE. Some people will find it easy, while some work very hard and don't get there.

llama47
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

First no one work 6 hours a day for 3 years in a row.

lol

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Sorry if it seems like I'm picking on you. I'm sure I disagree with 9 out of 10 posts in this topic. Luckily I haven't read the first 3 pages... that'll save me a lot of time typing out corrections.

Good luck with the flood of half true junk OP, I'm outta here.

Marie-AnneLiz
llama47 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

First no one work 6 hours a day for 3 years in a row.

lol

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Sorry if it seems like I'm picking on you. I'm sure I disagree with 9 out of 10 posts in this topic. Luckily I haven't read the first 3 pages... that'll save me a lot of time typing out corrections.

Good luck with the flood of half true junk OP, I'm outta here.

I'm not talking about the pro here but about  the other that think they can get a title.

I know someone who is working on chess 4 hours every day since 3.5 years and he is still 1900 Elo;he was 1639 Elo in march 2016 and he has a master degree so they is smart.

And he has the dream to become a GM since he did quit his job to get the GM tile and he play in tournaments since march 2016 and he has a coach.

 

Marie-AnneLiz

The very best woman in my country started to play at 3 and at almost 17 she was 2367 Elo (Fide Master)...three years later she is at 2229 Elo.

She is way above average!

Marie-AnneLiz
llama47 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

No one reach 2200 or even 2100 USCF or Elo is two years.

The fastest kids I've seen do it in about 2 years OTB... these are kids who go on to become GMs.

But 2200 online is definitely weaker than 2200 OTB.

 

Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

it take 6 to 8 years minimum.

You realize top GMs got the GM title as young teens right? Karjakin was a GM before the age of 13.

Once you realize people don't start until age 6 or 8, all you need is some simple math to realize what can be done in 6-8 years. (Of course these are the most talented kids in the most ideal conditions, and nearly 100% of people are slower, but that's how you get the  benchmark for what's possible).

Yes i know a guy name Einstein! that is the benchmark for what is possible! One in 8.5 billions.

We are in the context of this site and of the guy that asked his cap?

Not about the genius that are GM at 12 with super coach and who started at 4.

Immaculate_Slayer
Marie-AnneLiz escreveu:
atharva011 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
atharva011 a écrit :

Actually, it's really surprising that you can reach 2200 strength in just 2 years. You could possibly be very talented.

No one reach 2200 or even 2100 USCF or Elo is two years.

it take 6 to 8 years minimum.

First off, 2200 rapid on chess.com is what I was talking about. That is about 1500 USCF and 1300 Fide. Second off, working 6 hours a day (of sincere chess) can easily get you to 2000 FIDE in 3 years. 

First no one work 6 hours a day for 3 years in a row.

2100 Fide usually take 6 to 8 years when you start at 5 or 6 like Alex Botez or the IM Aronian...i listen to dozen of interviews of experts and IM.

Three years to get to 2000 Fide..even Fisher took a lot more than that read is story!

How can you claim that? Did you watch all chess players studying everyday for 3 years?

Marie-AnneLiz

How can you claim that i'm wrong,did you watch interviews from a dozen IM and experts and some of the best teens in the last 5 years telling their progress from their start to their actual rating ,because i did! I'm not a kid like you i was playing chess when you were not even a cell.

Immaculate_Slayer
Marie-AnneLiz escreveu:

How can you claim that i'm wrong,did you watch interviews from a dozen IM and experts and some of the best teens in the last 5 years telling their progress from their start to their actual rating ,because i did! I'm not a kid like you i was playing chess when you were not even a cell.

Dude, if you have an argument that you can't prove you're just wrong. It's not me who has to prove anything. Also from what I know Kasparov said he'd study 8 hours a day, Abhi Mishra said he'd study like 12 hours a day sometimes and Bobby studied literally all the time according to his family, so... Yeah

Marie-AnneLiz
Immaculate_Slayer a écrit :

How can you claim that? Did you watch all chess players studying everyday for 3 years?

Name one person that is not a professional and that is here on this site that you think that he did study 6 hours a day for 3 consecutive years?

Use your common sense! 

Immaculate_Slayer
Marie-AnneLiz escreveu:
Immaculate_Slayer a écrit :

How can you claim that? Did you watch all chess players studying everyday for 3 years?

Name one person that is not a professional and that is here on this site that you think that he did study 6 hours a day for 3 consecutive years?

Use your common sense! 

Dude... If you study 6 hours a day for 3 years you just become a professional... What the hell do you even mean

Marie-AnneLiz
Immaculate_Slayer a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz escreveu:

How can you claim that i'm wrong,did you watch interviews from a dozen IM and experts and some of the best teens in the last 5 years telling their progress from their start to their actual rating ,because i did! I'm not a kid like you i was playing chess when you were not even a cell.

Dude, if you have an argument that you can't prove you're just wrong. It's not me who has to prove anything. Also from what I know Kasparov said he'd study 8 hours a day, Abhi Mishra said he'd study like 12 hours a day sometimes and Bobby studied literally all the time according to his family, so... Yeah

That is not what we are talking about here;we are talking about the average or above average player on an internet site!

Not the best GM in the world!

Stay in the context of this site and this forum and look at the question the guy asked.