when your opponent doesn't punch his clock...

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sirrichardburton

in a rated tournament when my opponent doesn't punch his clock i take my normal amount of time to think than move without touching the clock....i just can't bring myself to just sit there while his/her clock runs down....and i being a good sport or just a chump?

Jeffreak

when i play timed games with my friends and that happens, i try my best to keep my poker face on and pretend to think deeply on what move to make.

Fear_ItseIf wrote:

why pretend to think deeply?

 

It is certainly better than getting up and waking around to look at other games...

Fear_ItseIf

why pretend to think deeply?

Its free time, use it to analyse the position and try to come up with a better move or calculate furthur in the line you have.

Fear_ItseIf

^ Exactly, anyway i've noticed people who I alert to the fact their clocks are running often do it again, while those who figure it out themselves learn from the mistake.

practicemaster

i tell my opponent to hit the clock. I dont want a win i cant brag about

hapless_fool

If he don't punch his own clock I'd punch his clock for him.

Pulpofeira

Botvinnik once lived such a situation while playing vs Reshevsky. Both were in time trouble and he decided not to warn him since it was a team match, but he stated later he would never act in such a way in an individual tournament. Who knows?

DrCheckevertim

See, to me, chess is not war. It is a game. A game to play for fun. I am not there to slay my opponent, I am there to play a good game of chess. What's so fun about them losing time on a technicality? Certainly you can see that this is not a "sportsmanlike" advantage to gain?

If my opponent doesn't hit the clock... I will point to it and let them know.

DrCheckevertim
chessmicky wrote:

Tournament chess--which is what we're talking about--isn't war, but it isn't just a game for fun either. It's a competition; Your objective is to win, and there are rules. Everyone has a time limit and everyone is responsible for punching their  clocks, keeping a score, and making the best moves they can. 

I suppose that's why I'm not a hardcore tournament player, but if I were, I'd probably still be the same way. You can be competitive while also not trying to gain an advantage in a sleezy way. If the point is purely to win, then yes, you're right, but that goes back to what I was saying before. Chess is a game, not war. I have no desire to win at the cost of game integrity.

I realize not everyone sees it this way, but then, I have a theory about people who are super competitive: They are playing their game to fulfill a psychological disorder, not because they love the game itself. Rather, because they love to win, and their chosen game (in this case chess) is how they boost themselves up in their own self-image.

I'm not saying here that if you choose not to tell the opponent about their clock, that you have a psychological disorder. But it's a step in that direction, and perhaps a smaller branch on that tree... I guess it helps to ask yourself why you would want to win so badly at the possible expense of having a quality game of chess.

Letting your opponent's clock run when you know it's not right is most probably unsportsmanlike, and competition without Sportsmanship is inhumane -- like war.

varelse1
Fear_ItseIf wrote:

why pretend to think deeply?


It makes people think you're up to something!!!Tongue Out

zborg

Flip a coin.  Heads you win, tails he loses.

TheElementalMaster

Think about it this way:

It were escalated to fighting for the WC.

Winner: Braggin rights, 1 million dollars, and fame.

Loser: Shame, subject of bullies, increduolous comments

If your opponent was going to lose on time would you remind him or no?

Your calls.

DrCheckevertim
chessmicky wrote:

Well it's always comfortable to decide that people who don't share your values have a psychological disorder! Comfortble, but the inability to try and understand other peoples motives--or even to respect them--is a surer sign of a psychological disorder.

Chessmicky I wasn't attacking you at any point, and I generally have always respected what you have to say. But this is clearly a ridiculous logical fallacy. First, I stated quite straightforwardly that I wasn't directly equating "not telling your opponent about their clock" as a psychological disorder. And people certainly don't have a psychological disorder "just because they don't share my values." I also do not see anywhere that I am "unable to try to understand or respect other peoples motives." On the contrary, I am always trying to understand and respect peoples' motives. That does not mean that I can't state my theory on ultra-competitive mindsets, which actually has plenty of backing in psychological theory and research.

As for sportsmanship: From my point of view, letting your opponent's clock run when they forgot to hit it, is unsportsmanlike. From the wikipedia link I posted: Sportsmanship is an aspiration or ethos that a sport or activity will be enjoyed for its own sake, with proper consideration for fairness, ethics, respect, and a sense of fellowship with one's competitors.

Of course, this is debateable and my point of view, and you are welcome to prove me wrong or simply offer another point of view.

DrCheckevertim
TheElementalMaster wrote:

Think about it this way:

It were escalated to fighting for the WC.

Winner: Braggin rights, 1 million dollars, and fame.

Loser: Shame, subject of bullies, increduolous comments

If your opponent was going to lose on time would you remind him or no?

Your calls.

A few problems with this argument. First problem is that the stakes are ordinarily never that high. Second problem is that this is not a matter of determing what is right or wrong (especially in situations of lower stakes), it is a matter of being able to justify a wrong by pointing towards potential gains. In other words, in this situation you might be saying "what is one small lapse in sportsmanship when it means I will win a million dollars." I may admit, even in this situation, someone so sportsmanlike and respectful as myself might not remind my opponent of their timer. HOWEVER, I will not later try to justify my action on a moral ground, rather I would acknowledge "yes, it wasn't necessarily the right thing, but I won a million dollars and nobody really got hurt because of it, so I can live with myself..."

TonyZhao

i hit it after i move even though nothing happens and they realize they didnt hit it

Kycoo

I pay to join tournaments to play a quality game, to see what my current chess strenght is.  I do not consider winning on time because the opponent forgot to hit the clock as a measure of my chess strenght.  So I tell him/her.


But then again, I do not play in tournaments to win money -- I keep a day job for that.

varelse1

You know what they say, right?

About how some days, your punch your clock.

And other days, your clock punches you?

DrCheckevertim

And on certain days

You punch someone else's clock

Before their time ends

DrCheckevertim

Oh right, this isn't the haiku thread.

mateologist

I remember playing this adorable little kid at a USCF tournament and although he did not forget to punch his clock, the little fella knew he was about to lose the exchange and gave me  the cutest SAD  FACE  Cry  you will ever see ! Yeah i FELL for it and passed up the Exchange and LOST the game, so from that day after the Handshake  to start the contest you are my Opponent and i am not your baby-sitter so NO i will not inform anybody that the ole' clock is running.