Who Do You Think Will Win At World chess championship 2013?? vishy or carlsen??

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I am on the fence both in who I think will win and who I want to win.  Vishy saves his best stuff for the WC matches so you cannot go by what you have seen when they played in the past.  He is excellent at WC prep and has tons of experience.  Carlsen shows he can win from some drawn positions if his opponent is inaccurate.  He is not perfect as he proved in the last game of the candidates when he lost and had to rely on Kramnik also losing.  Carlsen has no match experience and was arguing hard against them for the WC, maybe because he does not like the idea.  Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think we have seen a lot of novelties from Carlsen making me wonder what it will be like if he tries it for the first time now.  I don't think anyone should count out Anand just yet, but even with all the things going for him, Carlsen may be too strong already.  If not, Carlsen will have his day even if he loses this time.

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PhoenixTTD wrote:

Vishy saves his best stuff for the WC matches so you cannot go by what you have seen when they played in the past.

If his best stuff is what he showed against Topalov and Gelfand I don't think it is much different from his play in other events. He did impress a lot against Kramnik, but those days he impressed just as much in tournaments (winning Linares 2007, World Championship 2007 and Linares 2008). I think Anand just has dropped a lot in playing strength the last five years and will find it difficult to make this match as even as those last two.

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fabelhaft wrote:
PhoenixTTD wrote:

Vishy saves his best stuff for the WC matches so you cannot go by what you have seen when they played in the past.

If his best stuff is what he showed against Topalov and Gelfand I don't think it is much different from his play in other events. He did impress a lot against Kramnik, but those days he impressed just as much in tournaments (winning Linares 2007, World Championship 2007 and Linares 2008). I think Anand just has dropped a lot in playing strength the last five years and will find it difficult to make this match as even as those last two.

Oh! Gelfand and Topolav Are Great Talent In Chess.. They Are Extremely Experienced.. They Had known anand for long.. but the same cannot be said about carlsen! no doubt carlsen is a greatly talented player in chess! but experience matters!

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I go for Magnus Carlsen but we cannot underestimate Vishy. My question is, "Does it matter when the event is held at Champion's side?"

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Krestez wrote:
nimzotech wrote:

Carlsen beat Kasparov, Karpov, and Anand. I don't see why he could not repeat what he has already masterfully done in the past. The only difference now is he is stronger, wiser and more experienced.

Carlsen never beat Kasparov. He drew and lost one game against him.

I stand corrected. But I will add that during their training sessions when Kasparov was employed as a trainer, they had mixed scores with both sides winning and drawing.

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sanju1996 wrote:
fabelhaft wrote:
PhoenixTTD wrote:

Vishy saves his best stuff for the WC matches so you cannot go by what you have seen when they played in the past.

If his best stuff is what he showed against Topalov and Gelfand I don't think it is much different from his play in other events. He did impress a lot against Kramnik, but those days he impressed just as much in tournaments (winning Linares 2007, World Championship 2007 and Linares 2008). I think Anand just has dropped a lot in playing strength the last five years and will find it difficult to make this match as even as those last two.

Oh! Gelfand and Topolav Are Great Talent In Chess.. They Are Extremely Experienced.. They Had known anand for long.. but the same cannot be said about carlsen! no doubt carlsen is a greatly talented player in chess! but experience matters!

In his Candidates semi Kasparov faced a 32 years more experienced opponent, and then in the final the opponent had 42 years more experience. Now there you can really talk about overcoming the experience odds, Carlsen's disadvantage is only 21 years so nothing is impossible. :-)

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Carlsen should get his title at some point. I hope Anand wins the championship two more times. If Anand does, he will have broken the record for the most championships won. Anand is also the only player to have one the championship in tournament play, rapid time controls, knockout, and match formats showing his vertilityness.

I wouldn't underestimate Anand, because Kramnik said "that in terms of play Anand is in no way weaker than Kasparov but he's simply a little lazy, relaxed and only focuses on matches. In the last 5–6 years he's made a qualitative leap that's made it possible to consider him one of the great chess players." 

This shows that he is much better in matches than in tournament play because he doesn't prepare very well for the tournaments. Carlsen has a pretty good chance since he did beat Kasparov's rating, but he's never played a lot of matches. Anand actually lost to Kasparov in 1995 because of his lack of match experience. I don't think it's a big deal unless you have too little match experience. 

If I was to bet money, I would pick Carlsen, but don't underestimate Anand.

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I think Vishy this time around.

To be sure Magnus is a somewhat better tournament player and has a way of dreaming up ways to beat a variety of players. Here, Anand only has to zero in on one man. Head to head, experience will take a much bigger hand than raw talent.

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cleocamy wrote:

I think Vishy this time around.

To be sure Magnus is a somewhat better tournament player and has a way of dreaming up ways to beat a variety of players. Here, Anand only has to zero in on one man. Head to head, experience will take a much bigger hand than raw talent.

Anand's situation is similar to Tigran Petrosian. With Petrosian's defensive style, it was hard to win tournaments because most games ended in a draw. But in a match, he is hard to beat because his defense was so good he would end up winning the match.

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DarknisMetalDragon wrote:
cleocamy wrote:

I think Vishy this time around.

To be sure Magnus is a somewhat better tournament player and has a way of dreaming up ways to beat a variety of players. Here, Anand only has to zero in on one man. Head to head, experience will take a much bigger hand than raw talent.

Anand's situation is similar to Tigran Petrosian. With Petrosian's defensive style, it was hard to win tournaments because most games ended in a draw. But in a match, he is hard to beat because his defense was so good he would end up winning the match.

Petrosian lost three matches to Korchnoi, was beaten clearly by Fischer, and scored a small minus in two matches against Spassky. He did beat a 52-year-old Botvinnik though, but halfway through the match Botvinnik was keeping the title, and the tournament victory Petrosian scored to reach that title match was probably a greater achievement. He also won the Soviet Championship four times (for example Smyslov never won it). I don't think any of the greatest players have been considerably better or worse in tournaments or matches.