Who Had Best Chess Career?

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royalbishop

Call him up on his show and say that... i want to know when so i can record it??

It does not matter Eli got the job done and won a championship. Trade him? Honestly after he won you 2 championships and mess up team chemistry.

This use of Dan the choke man  is silly. Now Malone/Stockton would have a way better arguement. Sssssh no mas!

zborg

Hey, Dan Marino played for my rival Catholic High School in Pittsburgh, "Central Catholic."  We regularly kicked their butt, until Marino showed up.

But the Steelers still Rock!  In the past, at least.  Laughing

Bellomy
royalbishop wrote:

Call him up on his show and say that... i want to know when so i can record it??

It does not matter Eli got the job done and won a championship. Trade him? Honestly after he won you 2 championships and mess up team chemistry.

This use of Dan the choke man  is silly. Now Malone/Stockton would have a way better arguement. Sssssh no mas!

"'You are raving,'" said Professor McGonagall, superbly disdainful. 'Potter, that concludes our career consultation.'"

varelse1

Anatoly Karpov. First chess millionaire.

Also, Boris Spassky. nobody ever got rewarded more for losing than he did.

royalbishop

Sssssh no mas!

Elroch
zborg wrote:

GM Rogoff argued against.  You simply provided a lazy-ass dismissal, just like you regularly deliver (to any and all comers) in the Cheaters Group.

You're essentially a "chess nobody," and you dismiss Kasparov with a wave of your hand?  Stop making excuses and clean up your act.

Thousands of players make Expert Level in chess, and many hundreds of thousands of people have Ph.D's.  So What.  Very few will ever become WCC.

It's your "attitude" that hardly differs from @HisRoyalAssBishop.  Please give your unctuous egos a rest, both of you.

It is a trivial fact that Kasparov is a better chess player than me.  However, chess is far, far from everything. In fact it is a tiny, precisely defined, extremely specialised skill. I have to be frank that despite past interest, I see it as a rather pointless use of time these days. 

Kasparov is certainly a highly intelligent person. I also happen to be (with all due modesty) a highly intelligent person who has not devoted a large fraction of my life to chess. As a result, I undoubtedly know more, and understand more, about several subjects than Kasparov. There's no hubris in this: I am comparing myself to someone way outside of his area of achievements.

In the case of economics, my statement is justified by the fact that there is a consensus those who understand the subject much better than Kasparov that his oddball theory is wrong. To be a little more specific, if he was right that current economic problems are caused by some mysterious end of technological innovation, it would be necessary for some sort of sudden brain death by the millions of innovators in the world to have preceded and caused the collapse of the property bubble caused by the sub-prime mortgage market, and hence the following financial crisis. This is not how the world behaves. Or perhaps he believes that innovation died in the year 2000, to cause the preceding stock market shock. It didn't: innovators do not think like a shoal of fish, even if investors do. There was a bubble in the stock market, primarily in the technology sector, where valuations were astronomical. This has no connection with the comparison in the innovation that was occurring in the relevant decades. You can check this by picking any technological sector (semiconductors, renewable energy, biotechnology) and look at the history of innovation in it.

I am not aware of your personal achievements, but don't you think there is anything you know more about or understand better than Kasparov? If not, a good hint would be to spend more time studying facts and less time attacking people.

zborg

Thanks for the speech, @Elroch.

Mathematicians are too often "universalists," assuming they can provide solutions in any and all fields, as per the above.  Mathamatics as the language of Science.  Go Figure. 

Glad to see you can (sort of) present a reasoned argument (paraphrasing GM Rogoff), but ONLY after being "called out" in this thread.

@SmyslovFan (in post #53) provided an eminently reasonable assessment of "Kasparov's career," as per the thread topic.  While you mostly dumped on the former WCC, as befits your ego.

Best Wishes, and Have a Nice Day.

Elroch

Please excuse me for not sharing your adoration of your hero. I understand how people can be sensitive about such things.

zborg

Kasparov is a political novice.  As are your rhetorical skills, @Elroch

Stick to dumping on folks in the Cheating Forum, or complaining about the calculations of averages.  That's safer ground for your ersatz expertise.  Smile

I understand you have difficulty writing anything that isn't patronizing, correcting, or condescending.  As per your profile, wherein you describe how chess is "not worthy" of your precious time.

Perhaps you should lighten up a bit.  Playing the "pompous intellectual arse," who becomes bored (with any and all folks) on a regular basis, doesn't become you.

Whatever.

Elroch

You seem a little confused, zborg. I got bored of that group after technical discussions virtually disappeared, and I left several months ago.

[EDIT: I am _so_ impressed by the way you edited your last post after I wrote this, to add yet another unjustified personal insult! Rhetologically speaking, your statement falls into the category of grossly inaccurate overgeneralisation.]

Mandy711

Anand qualifies for this prestige. Winning the world classical chess championship and 2 successful title defenses, plus winning world title in knock-out and play all format are great achievements.

zborg
Elroch wrote:

You seem a little confused, zborg. I got bored of that group after technical discussions virtually disappeared, and I left several months ago.

[EDIT: I am _so_ impressed by the way you edited your last post after I wrote this, to add yet another unjustified personal insult! Rhetologically speaking, your statement falls into the category of grossly inaccurate overgeneralisation.]

My inability to suffer fools (or blowhards) gladly, is a character flaw that I continue to work on.  But in your case, @Elroch, you positively (and repeatedly) ask for it.

Your prose self-paint the target on your arse, unfortunately.  Perhaps you should think twice, before you write so true to form.  Go figure.

Elroch

zborg, you are such a flirt.

Kingpatzer

Could the two of you guys take it to some other thread? Seriously. It's bad enough that it got spammed with "championships are all that matter." 

Nothing you guys are saying has jack all to do with the topic.

Mandy711

Additional comments why Anand qualifies for best chess career. He inspires many Asian chess players to be ambitious in their chess career. 

Elroch

I can understand about the role of Anand to Asians and he seems a likeable guy. He is certainly a world class player as good as many world champions but, if you are going to be objective, Kasparov was a somewhat better chess player by any metric I can think of.

 Kasparov versus Anand at classical chess

My opinion is that, due to the quality he has achieved at a relatively young age, Carlsen's chess achievements will exceed those of Kasparov. The barrier he has to overcome is the rapidly increasing number of players whose strength is equal to that of many past world champions, but right now he is managing to lead the pack.

waffllemaster

Who Had Best Chess Career?

Definitely not Elroch

Elroch
waffllemaster wrote:
Who Had Best Chess Career?

Definitely not Elroch

+1 Smile

waffllemaster

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zborg
Elroch wrote:

@Zborg, you are such a flirt.

Glad to see an old dog can learn new tricks, @Elroch.  Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays to you too.

@Kingpatzer has respectfully requested his thread back.  Let's give it to him.  I'm game.

To wit, Karpov, Kasparov, GM John Nunn, and even GM Ken Rogoff have all had (or are having) outstanding "careers," whether chess or otherwise. 

Carlsen's (chess) career has yet to fully unfold, so he doesn't count, yet.  Sorry, no awards for WCC "in waiting."  Smile

Can this question even be approached effectively, let alone answered? 

@Kingpatzer has laid down the parameters.  Have at It Folks!