It is true though, that according to FIFA Israel is part of Europe. So definitions can be blurred.
who invented the chess and when?
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Judging from your posts in this thread, you might want to cool it on the "ignorant masses" rhetoric. Your understanding if history is myopic and clearly the result of self-education. It's obvious that you haven't participated In a structured, regimented study of history.
Aug 21, 2015
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Fiveofswords wrote:
AKAL1 wrote:
Do you understand what mathematics is? It's the art of building the complex from the simple. Algebra is an entire branch that begain with the idea of an unknown in an equation and has since evolved to even more abstract concepts, like polynomials over different fields, etc. If you want to make the point that the quaternions would have evolved without an understanding of one and two dimensional algebras, it won't work. By the way, I'd like to see someone comprehend the signifiance of finding the structures of fields. The Europeans did it, after all.
i actually understand mathematics quite well and i am quite familiar with the great advances in our understanding thanks to euler riemann euclid eudoxis cantor fermat descartes russell newton liebnitz archimedes gauss erdos and other great european thinkers. theoretical foundations of algebra in fact come from europe. a field refers to a collection of specific axioms and is quite arbitrary. no im not familiar with anything terribly interesting outside of europe. the arabs offerend nothing but expedient syntax. even a man like tartiglia was able to succeed without education where many generations of arab scholars failed. its worth noting to say the least.
You know that Euclid was Egyptian, of course.
(Edit: it appears that I'm late to the party. Others have already pointed that out. Because it contradicts your narrative, you've stretched the definition of Europe to include Australia and every other place that Europeans have conquered.)
Perfect example of your lack of education. No actual historian would ever claim to know Euclid's ethnicity. Some scholars have theorized the lack of biographical information about him was due to the possibility that he was not a member of the Hellenic diaspora, so was not counted worthy of being recognized for his brilliance by his contemporaries. A good historian will admit that he don't know shit.
Aug 21, 2015
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#46
Let me dig through my files. I have a photograph (really a daguerreotype) of Euclid that shows his nappy hair and dark olive complexion. Hardly the face of a European man.
It must be hard to learn anything when you already know everything.
Aug 21, 2015
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#48
Fiveofswords wrote:
bigpoison wrote:
Perfect example of your lack of education. No actual historian would ever claim to know Euclid's ethnicity. Some scholars have theorized the lack of biographical information about him was due to the possibility that he was not a member of the Hellenic diaspora, so was not counted worthy of being recognized for his brilliance by his contemporaries. A good historian will admit that he don't know shit.
no a good historian would admit that after reading the elements it clearly was written by a member of classical greek educated aristocracy. there is really no way this guy was ethnically egyptian. that would be like pretending the plays of shakespeare were really written by sueliman the magnificient. absurd.
Wow. As I'm sorting through the implications of this assertion, I am reminded that some moderator here stated two weeks ago that racism will not be tolerated in the forums.
The level of intellectual attainment tells us a guy's ethnicity. WOW!
Fiveofswords wrote:
going to dismiss this thread now.
Thread....DISSSSS.....MISSESD!
Not surprising that a layman who argue chess with masters here argues history with a couple of guys with advanced degrees in history.
I wonder if you place any value at all on work. Probably not, as an übermensch, work is beneath you.
Aug 21, 2015
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#51
bigpoison wrote:
Not surprising that a layman who argue chess with masters here argues history with a couple of guys with advanced degrees in history.
I wonder if you place any value at all on work. Probably not, as an übermensch, work is beneath you.
Aug 21, 2015
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#52
Fiveofswords wrote:
oh you moron.
It's no surprise to see you use this word as it corresponds well with your racial attitudes.
Of course, I need not remind you who coined the word. You already know that.
Aug 21, 2015
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#53
Fiveofswords wrote:
bigpoison wrote:
Not surprising that a layman who argue chess with masters here argues history with a couple of guys with advanced degrees in history.
I wonder if you place any value at all on work. Probably not, as an übermensch, work is beneath you.
bs. you dont have any degree in history lol
You know what degrees I have? Are you an internet stalker? You're not very good at that, are you!
Aug 21, 2015
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#54
chess_bee wrote:
...it is true that the best Indian food is in London not in India...
Clearly I went to the wrong London restaurant. I've found better Indian food in Spokane than I had in London. OTOH, the Turkish food in London was terrific. We don't have a Turkish restaurant in Spokane.
We did limit our culinary adventures to Bloomsbury.
Aug 21, 2015
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#55
Fiveofswords you made some intresting comments about Europe compared to the rest of the world in history. I do agree with most of your statements. If we are going to look at facts Europe as we think of it today was a late comer to civilization. A lot could be said but still no one can say where when who came up with Chess.
Attaining a degree in history is no big deal if you're willing to do a little work. Your disbelief surprises me. You should get out more. Oh, and I'm a blue eyed devil. That probably helps.
All I want to know is:
Was Euclid Egyptian, Greek or African?
I am so confused.
On a positive note I have figured out what Genghis Kahn was.
Genghis Kahn was not Russian. Genghis Kahn was Mongolian.
I did a wikipedia search and I found 2 different Euclids.
Euclid of Alexandria was into Mathmatics
Euclid of Megara was into philosophy.
Aug 21, 2015
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#59
My friend if you feel that the Chess we play today was not built or added on to from earlier games. Then I think you are right Chess came from Europe.
Aug 21, 2015
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#60
A Cheater's confession:
Fiveofswords wrote:
bigpoison wrote:
Attaining a degree in history is no big deal if you're willing to do a little work. Your disbelief surprises me. You should get out more. Oh, and I'm a blue eyed devil. That probably helps.
i wrote many of the research papers an ex gf had to do to obtain her degree. again you are wrong. her degree took little effort from her.
You'd think someone of your dizzying intellect would know that Euclid was born, lived, and died in Africa.
What is this world coming to? BP and I are in agreement! AGAIN!