Why does Carlsen play that London crap?

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BronsteinPawn

Just wondering why. 

Also wondering why their opponents do not slap him in the face and put him on the ropes.

I thought crap didnt survive for long on the board.

 

BronsteinPawn

Like look how White got completely dominated, even with that 10.a4 stuff Cyrus Patzapawdala suggests.

urk
It is nice to see the London System get dominated, I agree.

Which GM is really good at beating the London and the Colle?
BronsteinPawn
urk escribió:
It is nice to see the London System get dominated, I agree.

Which GM is really good at beating the London and the Colle?

I dont know, do you know?
I really like the slow approach of Be6-f6-Be7, looks pretty cosy and reminds me of Yasser's blitz games. (which probably increased my rating by at least 50 points).

BronsteinPawn

That egyptian GM was spanking Carlsen for playing that Sissy Colle but he hung the draw.

BronsteinPawn

At first sight it may look like Black is getting obliterated on the queenside, but tactics rescue him.

Once that bishops on g7 opens up White usually regrets having a pawn on h2.

BronsteinPawn

I think 18.b4 is losing, something like 18.Ne4 recognizing you missed Qb8 looks better. Altho I still preffer Black in that position.

Anyone agrees with me?

urk
What do you think of this setup?

e6, d5, c5, Nf6, Nc6, b6, Bb7

Does it have a name?
I may just play this against the London and the Colle from now on. Maybe.

I can't post games or positions, unfortunately.
blueemu

It's a fairly common (and sound) formation against several opening set-ups. Probably not ideal against the London or Colle, since it doesn't try to cut across White's plans... I prefer a KID set-up against those formations.

urk
I don't feel comfortable with the KID against the London.

Too hard to play ...e5, don't want to play ...c5.
TalSpin

urk wrote:

What do you think of this setup?

e6, d5, c5, Nf6, Nc6, b6, Bb7

Does it have a name?
I may just play this against the London and the Colle from now on. Maybe.

I can't post games or positions, unfortunately.

I play something similar a lot, but usually with my knight going to do so as to jump to c5 later. That and c6 instead of c5 immediately, Semi-Slav style, but with a c5 push later supported by b6. I don't know the name of the system, but it's treated me pretty well.

TalSpin

Knight going to d7 I mean. Damn phone

blueemu
urk wrote:
I don't feel comfortable with the KID against the London.

Too hard to play ...e5, don't want to play ...c5.

Jeeze... if you play it like a KID Panno (with Nc6 instead of Nbd7) then White's f4 Bishop makes the e7-e5 break EASIER instead of harder.

You play Nc6. White replies with d4-d5. You riposte with e7-e5, hitting the f4-Bishop. He moves it wherever (even to g5 attacking your Queen) and THEN you move the c6-Knight to e7. You are now in a King's Indian position, with all your pieces on the usual squares, and half of White's pieces are misplaced.

Off-the-cuff example:

 

BronsteinPawn

I dont like d5 at all against London systems.

Why dont you feel comfortable playing KIDs? e5 is not hard to achieve. And actively fights against White's dreams.

b6-Bb7 is one of the mainlines I think.

BronsteinPawn

White shouldnt combine Bf4 and c4 I think.

Why dont you want to play c5? I didnt want to play c5 too but it makes a ton of sense, the whole point of the line I posted is to destroy White on the queenside.

urk
Thanks blueemu, that's very useful to me.
I was never a big KID player, just played it around the edges with ...Nbd7.
toiyabe

I love how KID setups are the best response to all the cowardly non-theoretical 1.d4 openings, it always feels good to crush London and Colle wimps.  

BronsteinPawn
Fixing_A_Hole escribió:

I love how KID setups are the best response to all the cowardly non-theoretical 1.d4 openings, it always feels good to crush London and Colle wimps.  

It feels even better to slap Cyrus crappy books.

BronsteinPawn

I tried playing the Ragozin and Nimzo complex as Fischer but leaved them for the KID.

BronsteinPawn

Bronstein played the KID, so I had to learn it before naming myself BronsteinPawn.