Why I don't like Leagues

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My problem with Leagues is that it's not really about how good you are, it's more about grinding out points for hours on end to stay in the top 20,15,10,etc. I get that it keeps people on the app for longer and it's a good idea but not everyone has 12 hours a day to be playing chess nonstop...
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I think this new leagues system is borderline abusive. It pushes people to play long hours (as much as possible), and a lot of those people, let's not forget, are kids.

Chess.com, is this really necessary? Can't you think of other ways to improve your bottom line?

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Totally agree. Since most people have a 50/50 win/lose ratio, Leagues aren’t about skill competition, it’s about who can play the most games in the allotted amount of time. It’s completely pointless.
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They should give more bonuses out for winning alot of games in a row then to balance it out. Like 6 win streak 9 win streak 12 win streak ECT. And the account has to be active for a certain amount of time to take out those taking advantage with new accounts. Do u see what I'm saying?

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Yeah there needs to be something more to leagues that just whoever plays the most 3-0 or 1-0 games. I'll play out this stone league then stop, it's really unhealthy and not ok for chess.com to insentivise like this.

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typicalpaul wrote:

They should give more bonuses out for winning alot of games in a row

That's exactly how it works already.

Anyone trying to accumulate a lot of trophies will play arenas because arenas give you extra trophies equal to the number of arena points you earn in that tournament... and arena points are based on winning streaks.

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j7mac77 wrote:
My problem with Leagues is that it's not really about how good you are, it's more about grinding out points for hours on end to stay in the top 20,15,10,etc. I get that it keeps people on the app for longer and it's a good idea but not everyone has 12 hours a day to be playing chess nonstop...

12 hours a day wont happen until later leagues. At first it's just fun, and almost impossible to not get promoted.

It took about 10 minutes of playing per day to get promoted out of wood.

It will take about 30 minutes of playing per day to get promoted out of stone.

 

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AntiMustard wrote:

I think this new leagues system is borderline abusive. It pushes people to play long hours (as much as possible), and a lot of those people, let's not forget, are kids.

Yeah, because they have cash prizes, there will probably be at least 100 people who put their health at risk playing leagues. A few may actually have medical emergencies.

Not sure if that's chess.com's fault, but I agree with you that it's a bit off-putting.

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Yeah and I’ve had a few days off work and play chess a lot already and I’m still fighting to stay in the top 20 this round so a lot of grinding is gonna have to be done to advance. The top players in my division already have like 900 and 1000 trophies and I’m sitting here trying to qualify with just over 250. Definitely gonna be my last time trying to advance this week
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i think if your doing well you should keep on going for at most 30 min tops

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llama47 wrote:
j7mac77 wrote:
My problem with Leagues is that it's not really about how good you are, it's more about grinding out points for hours on end to stay in the top 20,15,10,etc. I get that it keeps people on the app for longer and it's a good idea but not everyone has 12 hours a day to be playing chess nonstop...

12 hours a day wont happen until later leagues. At first it's just fun, and almost impossible to not get promoted.

It took about 10 minutes of playing per day to get promoted out of wood.

It will take about 30 minutes of playing per day to get promoted out of stone.

 

thats 70 mins

lets say you get 1 pt per min

(1|0 games have a max of 2 mins, 50% win rate would be 0.75 but those games dont always go that much and this is a compromise)

thats 70 pts, not enough

1.25 pts per min,87.5, not enough

1.5 pts per min, 105, maybe enough

not exactly enough

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Ilampozhil25 wrote:
llama47 wrote:
j7mac77 wrote:
My problem with Leagues is that it's not really about how good you are, it's more about grinding out points for hours on end to stay in the top 20,15,10,etc. I get that it keeps people on the app for longer and it's a good idea but not everyone has 12 hours a day to be playing chess nonstop...

12 hours a day wont happen until later leagues. At first it's just fun, and almost impossible to not get promoted.

It took about 10 minutes of playing per day to get promoted out of wood.

It will take about 30 minutes of playing per day to get promoted out of stone.

 

thats 70 mins

lets say you get 1 pt per min

(1|0 games have a max of 2 mins, 50% win rate would be 0.75 but those games dont always go that much and this is a compromise)

thats 70 pts, not enough

1.25 pts per min,87.5, not enough

1.5 pts per min, 105, maybe enough

not exactly enough

Yeah, 30 minutes per day was a little low. A few days ago I estimated ~500 trophies to get out of stone for most people, and that seems to be holding.

Let's say 1.5 trophies per minute, so that's about 48 minutes per day. Sure, for some people that's a lot.

When I play bullet arena it's 2-3 trophies per minute (depending on how well I do) so it's a bit less time for me.

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yeah not me who plays 15|10 and gets like 9(i did more than 50%) in 10 or something mins

now i get why rapid is undervalued, its because games are fast

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The should give only a few points for draw or win but more points the more accurately the game is played. Quality should be key, not just amount of games. 

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There's already a tier system for quality of play, it's called ratings.

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Maybe, but then what is the point of leagues?

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llama47 wrote:
typicalpaul wrote:

They should give more bonuses out for winning alot of games in a row

That's exactly how it works already.

Anyone trying to accumulate a lot of trophies will play arenas because arenas give you extra trophies equal to the number of arena points you earn in that tournament... and arena points are based on winning streaks.

whats the bonus?

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I think the league is a waste and a grind, rewarding spamming games to get points. I find myself playing more low quality chess chasing league points. And I don’t care but it has sucked in me. I can see a new year’s resolution on the horizon
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sleazymate wrote:

Maybe, but then what is the point of leagues?

Leagues are like a best win statistic, except instead of the highest rated player you've beaten, it's the most hours you've played live chess during 1 week.

Although there are some ways to get around it, e.g. you can get promoted after joining mid week.

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josephyossi wrote:
llama47 wrote:
typicalpaul wrote:

They should give more bonuses out for winning alot of games in a row

That's exactly how it works already.

Anyone trying to accumulate a lot of trophies will play arenas because arenas give you extra trophies equal to the number of arena points you earn in that tournament... and arena points are based on winning streaks.

whats the bonus?

Read the red text.