Cot OTb unrated there the only things i can see that get rid of the cheating anyway i would probably benfit more from study than playing so maybe i should try it. You are right though and to be honest internet chess to me and most is just a way of improving your otb
Why me and playing Internet chess are finished!
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Si, I will always play you mate, and I never cheat, I wouldint even know how to. Sad to see you go, and that dick head that said "its pathetic" is no doubt one of the people you and the rest of Chess.com can not stand playing against "a cheater", they are rogues in a gentlemens game.
I will see you in our team games, and I am glad we have a team leader with the morals of a gentleman,
Bill.
Nov 30, 2008
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#44
Whether I play against a computer or a person or a tactics puzzle; correspondence chess is a learning experience. I really don't believe cheating is as rampant as many think. There have been a few times when I felt an opponent may have been using an engine, but I can't prove it and I'm not going to waste a lot of my energy worrying about it. I am very serious when I play and study tactics and learn openings and all the other elements of chess, but as long as my rating is below 2000, I can't take the outcome of these games very seriously. The 2000 level is the level at which a player is concidered a master. Anything below that and I'm still a student regardless of whether my opponent cheats or not.
I don't know why a person would cheat at correspondence chess. There are no trophies, no prize money, no worldwide recognition and nothing to gain in terms of self improvement. Even the best correspondence players don't get much of the limelight. All the glory goes to the OTB players (as it should). If I win a correspondence game or tournament it's just about bragging rights and there's not even anybody to brag to. I can't even brag to my wife. She doesn't care about chess.
The only thing I get when I win is a wonderful feeling of self-satisfaction.
i think i have around 1500 in clubrating but i have beaten players around 2300 several times because they accidentally played some if the few sharp lines i had analyzed hard with computer before the game.i also have been accused for cheating several times. people claiming i shouldnt be able to find such moves in a game. and they are right. im not able to find them. it was homework:)
everyone has theyre days:) i played here for months and havent played any cheater i think. if they are not like 2000++++ they are probablt not cheating:)
one great chessplayers said :everyone can play like a master in a game but doing it consistenly is what makes you belong up there
Good on ya, go for it gumpers. Just one thing I have to pipe up with. You praise this site as the best on-line. Nothing like it I'm afraid. There is a site called SchemingMind.com which has a better 'community' feel about it, probably due to the fact that the standard of play there is much higher than here. proper chess-players check it out, please.
Nov 30, 2008
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#47
This is going to sound naive, but I don't see why someone would use an engine to assist their play here - I mean, why go to all the effort of signing in to a website, starting a game, and then not playing it, but feeding the details into a chess engine - I mean, where's the enjoyment in that? If there are people out there with that sort of mindset - I've got a lot of ironing and general cleaning chores to do and I'd be happy for them to come around here and service my flat. A loose association true, but what's the difference between the manual chore of ironing a load of shirts, and the manual chore of looking on a board, typing a move into an engine, and then making the engine's move later on? Seriously, I hate ironing - do me a favour!
Assuming some people are just servicing their engines, occasionally there must be games played between engines, and their human drones - hopefully someone gets something out of the experience.
accepting the fact of cheating here I stil continue to play. why?
even if they cheat who is the real winner?
Me! Why?
Because even if I win or lose I gain something in the process.
the experience of having a good move that I will not have elsewhere.
well, you could keep playing with people you trust, can't you?
I don't get,Why do they do it.I know a higher rating.Think about what they feel like after winning a game.its rather silly I know its frustrating to lose but to thy ownself be true.Keep playing against all odds it will improve your game.
It's just something you have to put up with in correspondence chess. If you enjoy playing on a site like this, then you're only hurting yourself by stopping. I know, without being able to prove it, that i've been cheated half a dozen times or so, but that's out of 150 games. I can live with it.
Right now i'm losing to a couple of people whose rating is about two hundred points below mine, and frankly I find it more annoying that I don't think they are cheating. If someone who is supposed to be worse than me is going to beat me, they could at least have the decency to need to cheat to do it.
Nov 30, 2008
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#52
sorry to hear that gumpty. but honestly, i'd say that was a rash overreaction.
first off, almost nobody was defending cheating. there were just differences of opinion about if using computers is cheating or not. most of us agree that using computer is wrong.
secondly, at your level (under 2200) i would imagine that 99.99% of people are NOT using computers. if they were, they would be rated much much higher.
you're free to do what you wish, but to give up on online chess because a tiny number of people cheat is a shame. you should also stop watching all professional sports (cycling, soccer, american football, basketball, olympics, etc) and also never go to school (people cheat on tests there) or to work (lots of cheating and lying there!) or keep your money in stocks... :D
i think you're throwing the baby out because of a tiny bit of dirt in somebody else's dirty bathwater.
Nov 30, 2008
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#53
I wonder if Macy's is having a shoe sale today... Hmmmm.... I need some nice slacks too.
erik wrote:
sorry to hear that gumpty. but honestly, i'd say that was a rash overreaction.
first off, almost nobody was defending cheating. there were just differences of opinion about if using computers is cheating or not. most of us agree that using computer is wrong.
secondly, at your level (under 2200) i would imagine that 99.99% of people are NOT using computers. if they were, they would be rated much much higher.
you're free to do what you wish, but to give up on online chess because a tiny number of people cheat is a shame. you should also stop watching all professional sports (cycling, soccer, american football, basketball, olympics, etc) and also never go to school (people cheat on tests there) or to work (lots of cheating and lying there!) or keep your money in stocks... :D
i think you're throwing the baby out because of a tiny bit of dirt in somebody else's dirty bathwater.
I second that.
The possibility (probablility) of cheating is why these ratings are almost irrelevant. I play for both the enjoyment of it and to experiment with things for OTB play, where I consider the ratings to be really relevant.
As much as I hate losing - and no one hates it more than I do - I never thought to accuse the other guy/girl of cheating to beat me.
I haven't played much for the past 20 years and my game is inconsistent, but the times I feel I'm playing really well and still lose - I give the other person credit and don't worry if they have another machine with ChessMaster working on it in the background.
Anyone who would stoop to that can't possibly enjoy themselves anyway, since there's no glory in having a machine play for you, right?
To each his own. For my part, I'll just keep playing, assuming everyone is on the level, and take my defeats with as little good grace as I can muster in the face of loss. Which isn't much, but seemingly more than some others out there.
Nov 30, 2008
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#57
Gutted you're leaving mate. I'm impressed with the statement though - good on you for taking a bold step for what you believe.
My one big reservation is that it takes another good egg out of the basket. It leaves us all the poorer having loudmouths like Staggerlee give his helpful tuppence in every forum and lose the thoughtful comments of someone like yourself.
Do us all a favour, take the wise advice of people like NM David. Take a break for a few months, keep the good fight going on the forums and ease yourself back into playing after a while.
Nov 30, 2008
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#58
sittingpawn wrote:
I'm getting tired of people wasting time posting threads on this topic, especially when it really has nothing to do with them. Seriously Gumpty, you want to leave then go quietly into the night and stop griping about the reasons you're leaving. Do you think at all that anyone who does cheat might read this and be saved by the sudden cancellation of your games and picket line stance on no longer playing? Truth be told, if people cheat they're not interested in whether or not you continue to play. You were rated in the 1900's and played 398 games of which you won 245 time and of course that would have been more if you hadn't run out on all the games you were playing. Do you really think you were a victim of cheaters? Do you think you would have been rated higher if cheating never existed? Obviously if your didn't face cheaters in over 61% of your games, things can't be that bad then.
You want to whine and complain? Do so if your dog died, if you lost your job or if you can't get your kid that game he has always wanted for his birthday, but don't complain about cheaters on chess websites. With all the crap going on in this world you'd think people might have better things to worry about. If you don't then kudos, start enjoying your life and quit worrying about morons who like using computer programs. You can handle your own fine, and if you did love the game as much as you profess then you'd enjoy the game instead of worrying about if that guy you're playing against is using a program. Hint, hint if you're beating him or it's close, he's probably not.
It's a short life, you should live the rest of it.
OK,first off, read my post again, and this time use your eyes....im not going anywhere, im simp0ly not playing any more games here, and secondly as a paying member here i can come and go as i please, i dont need your permission, and also nobody asked you to read this thread, so in short 'butt out''
Well you can play on World Chess Live the chess site that as far as I know will banned any cheater,and you have to look it at the positive side at least,You can become a stronger player through hard work and looking at the cheat's program used,I used too play on yahoo,and they have more cheats on their than any chess website I have been too!!
I guess you have to have achieved a certain level of expertise to recognize when you're being cheated? If I have been cheated, I haven't detected it yet. If I didn't play chess here I'd never get to learn because I can't find opponents in this area of Pennsylvania. Maybe it will really bother me more as I understand more of the game. It's too bad you feel the need to quit.
Oh! gumpty.. so many problems in dealing with this kind of nuisance.. I am not aware how thes engines will give any satisfaction to these guys.. The others who start delaying tactics while losing are also a menace.. Then there are players who use full time for each move while the purpose of extra days is to accommodate time differences as well as emergencies in individual players time management.. I found a way out by avoiding repeat matches with many of the players who I felt were not sporting.. I would be happy to see you playing online with selected friends and trustworthy opponents.. Yes online rating can be satisfactory only if you are satisfied with your play not actual results which may be deceptive as opponents are always unknown but game played is right in front of you..