Why most of the great chess players are jews?

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einstein99

According to Torah, the Arabic peoples and the Israelites both descended from Abraham, the Arabs through Ishmael and the Israelites(Hebrews) through Isaaic.

Ubik42
denner90 wrote:

Are Muslims a separate race? How about different castes in India? There are many groups fanatical about breeding only among themselves, this does not constitute a racial divide. I'll grant that Middle Eastern Jews and other Arabic/Persian peoples may be genectically distinct, there you have millenia of division based on religion, but this does not spread out into other ethnicities due strictly to how they worship their god. It does not even make sense. Like I said ,skewed sample with an agenda.

It doesnt make sense because that isnt the claim. When you have to keep constructing strawmen, its usually a sign of something .Smile

Lou-for-you

Have a look at what is called an oleh certificate. Fascinating stuff.

real_tzs

There has been much research on this. Well, not on chess specifically, but why Jews, specifically Ashkenazi Jews, do disproportionately well in many intellectual fields.

And they indeed do disproportionately well. In the US, where they are 2% of the population, they have 27% of the Nobel prizes, 25% of the Fields Medals (the most prestigious and difficult award for mathematicians), 25% of the Turing Awards (the top award for computer science). They are half the world's chess champions and 8% of the top 100 players.

They are 30% of the faculty at elite colleges. They make up 30% of Yale students, and 27% of Harvard students. They are 40% of the partners in the leading New York and Washington law firms.

There is an interesting writeup on this in Wikipedia in the artice on Ashkenazi Jewish Intellegince. The general Ashkenazi Jew article is also interesting.

It's interesting to speculate how World War 2 would have been different if Germany had not lost so many of its brightest scientists when they drove out Jews in the lead up to the war. Germany could have had the atomic bomb if so many of the Germans who could have developed it had not ended up in the United States working on the Manhattan Project.

A1Rajjpuut

Hmmmm,

                 I am NOT a Jew, but am well familiar with the phenomenon of strong chess being played by Jews.

                 First of all you left off Steinitz.  Between Steinitz and Lasker they accounted for over a half century as World Champions.  Reuben Fine, Sammy Reshevsky, and Bronstein were definitely some of the strongest players of the mid-Twentienth century who were also Jews.

               Why are so many Jews such strong chess-players?  That is the question. there are three main reasons . . . .

                A.  Firstly and mainly, I think, it's akin to why so many left-handers percentage-wise wind up as Olympic decathlon champions.  The lefties grow up in a right-handers world that is significantly ALIEN to them and must adapt (Go ahead, you!  Try turning doorknobs with your left hand; try existing in water-scarce parts of the world where the main accepted use of the left hand is to wipe your butt after defecation without the possibility of toilet paper so that you're not allowed to ever eat using your left hand; etc. etc.)  Similarly, the Jew throughout history has been the ALIEN, never quite fitting into or never quite being appreciated by the Gentile, or Arab, or other society in which they find themselves.  Just as lefties must adapt their whole body and whole world to fit in with the dominant righties and sometimes come to excel . . . the Jew must become more adept with both his logical brain and his creative brain and develop a hyper-flexible central tissue (corpus callosum) uniting both brain hemispheres more easily -- exactly what occurs with lefties in the physical world thus occurs with the Jew in the mental and emotional world.

                B.  Secondly, are the world INfamous Jewish mothers that tend to make their male children so neurotic; but basically force-feed them scholastic learning with the breast milk they drink; and push them toward accomplisment at every waking moment.  When a Jewish boy discovers chess, a field of endeavor in which usually women are NOT encouraged to attempt and certainly not encouraged to excel at -- it's a tremendous escape from MOMMY-TYRANT that jives with his deepest psychic needs for independence and deeper yet:  autonomy.

                C.  Thirdly, apart from Jewish Moms, like Asian-Americans, Jews come from a social structure that emphasizes accomplishment via hard work in the academic world and in the vocational.

Take care!

e4myfavourite

I should have framed the question as

"Why most of the world chess champions are jews?"

kennzlg

The I AM gives each of us a certian measure of wisdom. The Jews are first in line.

WGF79
denner90 wrote:

Are Muslims a separate race?

If you live in Germany, then this is the case. Because whenever you criticise Islam, muslim rituals (like halal slaughtering) or even a mosque that is going to be built right next to your house, you are usually being called a RACIST.

And while we're on it, why are there no notable muslim chess players (or nobel prize winners), while over 20% of world population are muslim ?

fabelhaft

"why are there no notable muslim chess players"

Well, there's Radjabov who was #4 until recently and might qualify as both half Jewish and Muslim :-) Also Mamedyarov, I guess, as well as FIDE ex-World Champion Kasimdzhanov. Not to mention that all the best chess players were Muslim if you just go further back in time.

ThrillerFan
Lou-for-you wrote:

:-) happy new year!!

This is a flawed comment for this thread.  New Year is in September!  Where are we right now?  5800s or something?

ThrillerFan

And by the way, "September" is also flawed.  It was accurate when the calendar had 10 months:

September should now be November

October should now be December

November should be Onciember

December should be Dosiember

hakim2005

i think Teimour Radjabov is a muslim

ConnorMacleod_151

Please be relevant, helpful & nice !

This is getting to be a bit toooooooo religious!!

WGF79
hakim2005 wrote:

i think Teimour Radjabov is a muslim

Where do you have this information from ? I just googled his name + religion, there are some people claiming that his father is jewish but i didn't see any info on that he's muslim. So did he convert to Islam ? His mother can't be muslim because muslim woman may not marry non-muslim man (only muslim man can marry up to 4 non-muslim woman, as explained here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_marriage_in_Islam ).

ConnorMacleod_151

What the hell has religion gotta do with chess ???

WGF79
ConnorMacleod_151 wrote:

What the hell has religion gotta do with chess ???

This is what we are trying to find out here, since there seem to be some statistically significant influences which one can't deny. 

TheBigDecline
ConnorMacleod_151 wrote:

What the hell has religion gotta do with chess ???

Have you never heard of the importance of the bishop pair ???

ConnorMacleod_151
Vo1d3mort wrote:
ConnorMacleod_151 wrote:

What the hell has religion gotta do with chess ???

This is what we are trying to find out here, since there seem to be some statistically significant influences which one can't deny. 

Statistics are a political tool... u can bend them to suit any case.

ConnorMacleod_151
TheBigDecline wrote:
ConnorMacleod_151 wrote:

What the hell has religion gotta do with chess ???

Have you never heard of the importance of the bishop pair ???

no.

fabelhaft

How many top players are practising Christians, by the way?

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