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pcalugaru

7 days ago

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#21

BabyPenguinL0ver wrote:

People may disagree but the Scandinavian Defense actually is BUNS BUNS BUNS!

First of all, : "Never move your queen out early"

Second, the Nc3 leads to a tempo loss which then the queen has to move again. (e.g) Qa4

Third, I'm pretty sure the Scandinavian is not good (why do people say it's good?) because there is a way higher chance for white to win.

Finally, Scandinavian is hard to study because... idk why

Change my mind

1st contention: Trade offs...!!! It's all about trade offs... With 1...d5 Black threatens to remove White's best piece in a King's pawn opening i.e. Namely the Pawn at e4!

Almost forced is 2. exd5. Everything else... Black equalizes and has a decent game

Black has now forced White into playing his game. Done at the cost of breaking the opening principle of moving the Queen out early.

Second contention: Is playing Nc3 hitting the Queen really a tempo loss? Or is it another lure to further take White into Black's territory? The Queen at a5 pins the knight at c3, covers f5 and the Bishop that will be developed there. The typical developing move pawn to c6 creates an escape avenue.. as well as a defensive pawn structure equal to the Caro-Kann

3...Qd6 has similar trade offs.

The Pros... It's the perfect club player's defense. Once you settle on a variation (3...Qa5 3...Qd6 etc) the theory isn't overwhelming. Even more of a bonus... You see the same White development over and over and get a good feel for the nuances of the resulting positions.

Another plus... Many do not take the Center Counter Defense serious, so they play trick swindle lines, or wing it when it comes to how they develop, hence avoid the strongest lines (i.e. the main lines )

Despite the "perceived disobedience" of two major opening principles... Black has a path to an improved Classical Caro-Kann, having avoided the ever popular Advance Caro-Kann and the Panov Attack. (that's a lot of theory)

As you can see..... there are reason's behind the madness of playing 1...d4 and 2...Qxd5.

BabyPenguinL0ver

6 days ago

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#22

pcalugaru wrote:

BabyPenguinL0ver wrote:

People may disagree but the Scandinavian Defense actually is BUNS BUNS BUNS!

First of all, : "Never move your queen out early"

Second, the Nc3 leads to a tempo loss which then the queen has to move again. (e.g) Qa4

Third, I'm pretty sure the Scandinavian is not good (why do people say it's good?) because there is a way higher chance for white to win.

Finally, Scandinavian is hard to study because... idk why

Change my mind

1st contention: Trade offs...!!! It's all about trade offs... With 1...d5 Black threatens to remove White's best piece in a King's pawn opening i.e. Namely the Pawn at e4!

Almost forced is 2. exd5. Everything else... Black equalizes and has a decent game

Black has now forced White into playing his game. Done at the cost of breaking the opening principle of moving the Queen out early.

Second contention: Is playing Nc3 hitting the Queen really a tempo loss? Or is it another lure to further take White into Black's territory? The Queen at a5 pins the knight at c3, covers f5 and the Bishop that will be developed there. The typical developing move pawn to c6 creates an escape avenue.. as well as a defensive pawn structure equal to the Caro-Kann

3...Qd6 has similar trade offs.

The Pros... It's the perfect club player's defense. Once you settle on a variation (3...Qa5 3...Qd6 etc) the theory isn't overwhelming. Even more of a bonus... You see the same White development over and over and get a good feel for the nuances of the resulting positions.

Another plus... Many do not take the Center Counter Defense serious, so they play trick swindle lines, or wing it when it comes to how they develop, hence avoid the strongest lines (i.e. the main lines )

Despite the "perceived disobedience" of two major opening principles... Black has a path to an improved Classical Caro-Kann, having avoided the ever popular Advance Caro-Kann and the Panov Attack. (that's a lot of theory)

As you can see..... there are reason's behind the madness of playing 1...d4 and 2...Qxd5.

Holy Ctrl+C Ctrl+V

Fet

6 days ago

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#23

#20 still better than being chased after Qxd5….

Volt

6 days ago

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#24

tbh Qxd5 isn't THAT bad. it's more like difficult to play

Nf6 is a bit popular, so I like c6 which is a good alternative yet quite unpopular (at least compared to Qxd5 and Nf6) and good weapon to use

Zidanefre

6 days ago

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#25

BabyPenguinL0ver wrote:

pcalugaru wrote:

BabyPenguinL0ver wrote:

People may disagree but the Scandinavian Defense actually is BUNS BUNS BUNS!

First of all, : "Never move your queen out early"

Second, the Nc3 leads to a tempo loss which then the queen has to move again. (e.g) Qa4

Third, I'm pretty sure the Scandinavian is not good (why do people say it's good?) because there is a way higher chance for white to win.

Finally, Scandinavian is hard to study because... idk why

Change my mind

(Serious reply)

Holy Ctrl+C Ctrl+V

This reply is how you know that we are not in a serious thread

Volt

6 days ago

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#26

Zidanefre wrote:

BabyPenguinL0ver wrote:

pcalugaru wrote:

BabyPenguinL0ver wrote:

People may disagree but the Scandinavian Defense actually is BUNS BUNS BUNS!

First of all, : "Never move your queen out early"

Second, the Nc3 leads to a tempo loss which then the queen has to move again. (e.g) Qa4

Third, I'm pretty sure the Scandinavian is not good (why do people say it's good?) because there is a way higher chance for white to win.

Finally, Scandinavian is hard to study because... idk why

Change my mind

(Serious reply)

Holy Ctrl+C Ctrl+V

This reply is how you know that we are not in a serious thread

fr like all of OP's messages in this post are unserious about the topic and completely ignore people who actually took their time to answer them

Zidanefre

6 days ago

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#27

Volt wrote:

Zidanefre wrote:

BabyPenguinL0ver wrote:

pcalugaru wrote:

BabyPenguinL0ver wrote:

People may disagree but the Scandinavian Defense actually is BUNS BUNS BUNS!

First of all, : "Never move your queen out early"

Second, the Nc3 leads to a tempo loss which then the queen has to move again. (e.g) Qa4

Third, I'm pretty sure the Scandinavian is not good (why do people say it's good?) because there is a way higher chance for white to win.

Finally, Scandinavian is hard to study because... idk why

Change my mind

(Serious reply)

Holy Ctrl+C Ctrl+V

This reply is how you know that we are not in a serious thread

fr like all of OP's messages in this post are unserious about the topic and completely ignore people who actually took their time to answer them

It's like ragebait but if ragebait actually just made people mildly annoyed and unfollow the thread instead

BabyPenguinL0ver

5 days ago

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#28

whatt?

GeckoSoloYT

5 days ago

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#29

Timofey_Grishenkov wrote:

It's not that hard to study. Queen takes pawn,white develops knight,attacks the queen,queen a5, then just resign

Yeah, the opening principles state you don't bring your queen out early

blueemu

5 days ago

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#30

BabyPenguinL0ver wrote:

Change my mind

Not sure what tempo loss you are talking about. Are you sure you are counting correctly?

After 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 yes, Black has to move his Queen again, losing a tempo.

But take a closer look at that Pawn exchange in the center.

White's e-Pawn moved twice (1. e4 and 2. exd5) and then disappeared from the board, taking those two moves with it.

Black's d-Pawn moved once (1. ... d5) and then disappeared from the board, taking that single move with it.

White has traded a Pawn and two moves for Black's Pawn and one move.

White, not Black, has lost a tempo.

Black moving his Queen a second time with 3. ... Qa5 just returns the lost tempo.

highsoy

5 days ago

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#31

Bill mys the science g- no

BabyPenguinL0ver

5 days ago

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#32

blueemu wrote:

BabyPenguinL0ver wrote:

Change my mind

Not sure what tempo loss you are talking about. Are you sure you are counting correctly?

After 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 yes, Black has to move his Queen again, losing a tempo.

But take a closer look at that Pawn exchange in the center.

White's e-Pawn moved twice (1. e4 and 2. exd5) and then disappeared from the board, taking those two moves with it.

Black's d-Pawn moved once (1. ... d5) and then disappeared from the board, taking that single move with it.

White has traded a Pawn and two moves for Black's Pawn and one move.

White, not Black, has lost a tempo.

Black moving his Queen a second time with 3. ... Qa5 just returns the lost tempo.

ok fine

BabyPenguinL0ver

5 days ago

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#33

I googled it

blueemu

5 days ago

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#34

Yeah, nearly everybody thinks that the Scandinavian loses a tempo, which is probably why Google said so. The main problem with the Scandinavian is that the Queen doesn't really belong on a5; so Black probably will lose a tempo later on by moving his Queen again.

Most likely, the Black Queen will end up sitting on c7, after Black plays the Pawn up to c6.

IanReneHn

5 days ago

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#35

miwamima

5 days ago

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#36

The Scandinavian is bad if your opponent can perfectly counter it, but if they can't, its a great opening because when you play the Scandinavian white is playing into your opening. They can no longer execute the fried liver, kings Gambit, or whatever else they want to play. Of course, the Qxd5 line is bad, but the Nf6 line is great, especially against weaker opponents who don't understand that Nc3 doesn't defend the pawn.

Sultan2214

5 days ago

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#37

Хаха

MariasWhiteKnight

5 days ago

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#38

Qd8 is of course perfectly playable and probably the second strongest move.

Optimissed

5 days ago

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#39

BabyPenguinL0ver wrote:

People may disagree but the Scandinavian Defense actually is BUNS BUNS BUNS!

First of all, the chess saying that says: "Never move your queen out early" applies to this because many 1000- 1700 bots do Qxd5 which leads to Nc3 which can lead to early checkmate for white like when I did a match against Jade which led me to an about 20-30 move checkmate

Second, the Nc3 leads to a tempo loss which then the queen has to move again. (e.g) Qa4

Third, I'm pretty sure the Scandinavian is not good (why do people say it's good?) because there is a way higher chance for white to win.

Finally, Scandinavian is hard to study because... idk why

Change my mind

OK

You're talking drivel.

How's that?

menjikan

5 days ago

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#40

BabyPenguinL0ver schreef:

People may disagree but the Scandinavian Defense actually is BUNS BUNS BUNS!

First of all, the chess saying that says: "Never move your queen out early" applies to this because many 1000- 1700 bots do Qxd5 which leads to Nc3 which can lead to early checkmate for white like when I did a match against Jade which led me to an about 20-30 move checkmate

Second, the Nc3 leads to a tempo loss which then the queen has to move again. () Qa4

Third, I'm pretty sure the Scandinavian is not good (why do people say it's good?) because there is a way higher chance for white to win.

Finally, Scandinavian is hard to study because... idk why

Change my mind

Qa4?
Are you buns?
You mean Qa5? Bro doesn't even know basic notation