No. Most positions have 20-50 possible moves. 30 moves deep is 35 to the 60th power possibilities. I doubt computers will ever be that powerful.
Will Chess ever be "solved"?
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Even if a computer would solve chess, which I doubt, because the possible "reasobable" positions is estimated to be around 10^120 or something, I think that the branching nature of chess after every move would make it humanly impossible to memorize all the move sequences that this computer would provide us. I mean if we could do it, wouldn't we have already used stockfish for this considering it's stronger than any human anyway? We could however, maybe deduce possible themes and strategies in every perfect game the engine provides, which I think could actually be beneficial to human chess
Yes. Maybe not in our lifetime but I would hope that technology will progress to the point where a computer can solve chess.
Yeah, I agree.
Computers have already reached the point when they are better than humans.
But it will be tough to know when they have "solved" chess, because there may be new lines/ new rules etc.
Chess is game of the games, but still a GAME 
You can only play it, not solve
Given that there are estimated to be more possible chess games than atoms in the observable universe, i doubt technology will ever be able to solve chess
I would be surprised if there weren't any new rules over the next few centuries. Even if the are small, e.g. En Passant.
Aug 1, 2018
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By all accords, the next revolution in the world of computers - Quantom Computing - is on its way, and many problems that seems like a real challenge now are going to be super easy for tomorrow's computers...so my guess is yes, chess is going to be solved within a couple of decades, and no, wont hurt its popularity as it will not effect the human game.
Obviously it will be solved, where white will always win because of the one move ahead advantage, or possibly draw and I predict it will be solved within 30 years...if you go back 30 years it's 1988, think about the progress we have since then + the singularity is supposed to be pretty soon to. Exciting times.
+ moore's law
Yes, yes, yes, End of discussion.
Dec 28, 2018
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Well googles deep mind alpha zero learns from playing it’s self. Not to mention it only took it 4 hours of learning to beat the best player in the world. Imagine if you let it learn for lets say a year it would be an impossible game no regular engine will ever beat it. No matter how good you make stockfish. When alpha zero makes mistakes you will notice changes in the neural network. If alpha zero solves chess the neural network will not change and chess is solved. So i find it hard for chess not to be solved in the next 30 to 40 years.
Dec 28, 2018
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The visible universe, from Earth out to the furthest known galaxies, only contains about 10^78 elementary particles...
... that's around 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 particles...
... which is far too few to keep track of the moves of all possible chess games. Even if only a single electron were to be used to record each move (somehow?) it would still require at least 10^42 times more storage than that to hold the information.
Dec 28, 2018
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Uobonomonogatari wrote:
blueemu wrote:
The visible universe, from Earth out to the furthest known galaxies, only contains about 10^78 elementary particles...
... that's around 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 particles...
... which is far too few to keep track of the moves of all possible chess games. Even if only a single electron were to be used to record each move (somehow?) it would still require at least 10^42 times more storage than that to hold the information.
Or we creating the system that can decipher the stores solution. Just use one electron to store hundrds of trillions of the moves and then it become RUDE AWKENING. Like putting a 5d shape in the 2d model, CREATIVITY IS KINGG
If we miraculously had a way for each electron to store hundreds of trillions of moves (that's 100,000,000,000,000 moves each), then the whole universe would still be too small by a factor of 10^28 - to - 1.
That's 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times too small.
You might casually throw around terms like "hundreds of trillions", but it's pretty clear that you don't have any idea how large these numbers are.
After Alpha Zero crushing stockfish chess is further away from being solved than any point this century. People were starting to treat the modern engines as gospel and the final authority on chess and so many things got dismissed because the 'computer said so'.
It was starting to be treated as definitive and nearing a solution.
However now we find that computers themselves are far from perfect and repeatedly get crushed by AZ.
Also not only is AZ crushing these engines it is doing so by playing a brand/style of chess that seems counter-intuitive to everything the modern engines do.
So yeah chess is not anywhere near being solved yet.
I think chess clearly can’t be solved unless thee is a supersupersupersupersuper... computer. In just 4 moves there can be 4 billion different variations I think.
Yes.
JayeshSinhaChess wrote:
After Alpha Zero crushing stockfish chess is further away from being solved than any point this century. People were starting to treat the modern engines as gospel and the final authority on chess and so many things got dismissed because the 'computer said so'.
It was starting to be treated as definitive and nearing a solution.
However now we find that computers themselves are far from perfect and repeatedly get crushed by AZ.
Also not only is AZ crushing these engines it is doing so by playing a brand/style of chess that seems counter-intuitive to everything the modern engines do.
So yeah chess is not anywhere near being solved yet.
That's very true, I hadn't thought about it like that, but your logic is correct. I think that to improve engines, they need to develop in the direction of alpha zero.
Do you guys ever think a computer will be able to calculate all the moves from the starting position?
If so, do you think Chess will lose popularity, or do you think it won't have any affect on popularity?