Will computers ever solve chess?

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We’re all meaningless, but most of us are too arrogant to admit it.

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troy7915 wrote:

We’re all meaningless, but most of us are too arrogant to admit it.

That’s a bit overboard?

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Perhaps, a lot has to do with personal prospective.

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Perhaps the personal perspective—no matter what it is—is false.

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eryxc wrote:
troy7915 wrote:

We’re all meaningless, but most of us are too arrogant to admit it.

That’s a bit overboard?

 

  We’re all nobodies. Is that better?

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I think chess is neither a draw nor a win for white but a smashing victory for black.

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At this point, we can only say that anything is possible—as a fact—and, of course, we can guess one way or another—not as a fact. After all, one of these three guesses will be right in the end, one way or another.

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I think we can very safely assume that my joke is in fact most certainly not a fact.

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‘Assuming’ and ‘most certainly’ don’t go together: one excludes the other.

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Does not compute.

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 ?

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Yes

Avatar of troy7915

Ok.

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i think its a win for white 

white moves first so black cant keep up chess is unfair 

i might be wrong but white does win more then black so white is stronger

solve chess white wins 

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Oh, boy!

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I usually play scotch with me as white

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Just by symmetry black CANNOT win if white chooses the opening move. I personally think a draw for all opening moves is unlikely. There is probably at least one winning, and maybe at least one losing, first move for white. But who knows.

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But who knows? Exactly.

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wtmgeo wrote:

Just by symmetry black CANNOT win if white chooses the opening move.

False reasoning. Chess is not a game where symmetry justifies this conclusion. White certainly cannot copy black's moves whatever he plays before that. Note that there are plenty of games with a symmetrical start position and symmetrical moves where the first player loses. (One example is Nim with the piles being 3-2-1). In chess, zugzwang is a well-known phenomenon and I bet it is possible to construct a symmetrical zugzwang position (the starting position is of course a symmetrical position).

I personally think a draw for all opening moves is unlikely. There is probably at least one winning, and maybe at least one losing, first move for white. But who knows.

Not you, to be frank!

 

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Black simply cannot be at an absolute advantage in chess if it moves second. It is absurd to suggest otherwise.