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falcogrine
Ubik42 wrote:

I have to agree with the OP. When someone is down in material by 5 points, they should just resign.

I havent seen any successful arguments against him, just a lot of trolling.

I think people that disagree with Petermh5 are either:

1. Perpetual losers who want to get back in the game via some cheapshot.

2. Trolling for attention.

3. Enjoy getting revenge from a legitamate victory by forcing the game to be played out.

These are the only possiblities I can see. There really is no arguing against his position, it is too solid. If I see you all continue to repeat the same futile, failed arguments, then I may write to the staff and see what can be done about all the trolling.

read his first post, then the first couple pages.

chessgdt

Look at the attention this thread is getting - http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/you-should-be-force-to-delete-your-chesscom-account?lc=1#last_comment -

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/quotforce-resignsquot-thank-god-we-finally-have-a-thread-like-this

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/quotforced-resignationsquot

Please read them XD 

Ubik42
falcogrine wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:

I have to agree with the OP. When someone is down in material by 5 points, they should just resign.

I havent seen any successful arguments against him, just a lot of trolling.

I think people that disagree with Petermh5 are either:

1. Perpetual losers who want to get back in the game via some cheapshot.

2. Trolling for attention.

3. Enjoy getting revenge from a legitamate victory by forcing the game to be played out.

These are the only possiblities I can see. There really is no arguing against his position, it is too solid. If I see you all continue to repeat the same futile, failed arguments, then I may write to the staff and see what can be done about all the trolling.

read his first post, then the first couple pages.

Are you a #1, #2, 0r #3?

RogueFirefly

I don't resign unless I am losing horribly. But why should we give up when we are down a few points? I have won when i was down points.

falcogrine
Ubik42 wrote:
falcogrine wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:

I have to agree with the OP. When someone is down in material by 5 points, they should just resign.

I havent seen any successful arguments against him, just a lot of trolling.

I think people that disagree with Petermh5 are either:

1. Perpetual losers who want to get back in the game via some cheapshot.

2. Trolling for attention.

3. Enjoy getting revenge from a legitamate victory by forcing the game to be played out.

These are the only possiblities I can see. There really is no arguing against his position, it is too solid. If I see you all continue to repeat the same futile, failed arguments, then I may write to the staff and see what can be done about all the trolling.

read his first post, then the first couple pages.

Are you a #1, #2, 0r #3?

no

Ubik42
falcogrine wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:
falcogrine wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:

I have to agree with the OP. When someone is down in material by 5 points, they should just resign.

I havent seen any successful arguments against him, just a lot of trolling.

I think people that disagree with Petermh5 are either:

1. Perpetual losers who want to get back in the game via some cheapshot.

2. Trolling for attention.

3. Enjoy getting revenge from a legitamate victory by forcing the game to be played out.

These are the only possiblities I can see. There really is no arguing against his position, it is too solid. If I see you all continue to repeat the same futile, failed arguments, then I may write to the staff and see what can be done about all the trolling.

read his first post, then the first couple pages.

Are you a #1, #2, 0r #3?

no

Sorry those are mutually exclusive and logically exhasutive categories. You are in one of the groups if you disagree with the OP, just trying to find out which one.

Markle
Ubik42 wrote:

I have to agree with the OP. When someone is down in material by 3-5 points, they should just resign.

I havent seen any successful arguments against him, just a lot of trolling.

I think people that disagree with Petermh5 are either:

1. Perpetual losers who want to get back in the game via some cheapshot.

2. Trolling for attention.

3. Enjoy getting revenge from a legitamate victory by forcing the game to be played out.

These are the only possiblities I can see. There really is no arguing against his position, it is too solid. If I see you all continue to repeat the same futile, failed arguments, then I may write to the staff and see what can be done about all the trolling.

So if i sac a Knight for an attack i am now down 3 pts.and you think i should just resign, That is just a bunch of crap people resign when they want to NOT when you tell them to, so get over it.

falcogrine
Ubik42 wrote:
falcogrine wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:
falcogrine wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:

I have to agree with the OP. When someone is down in material by 5 points, they should just resign.

I havent seen any successful arguments against him, just a lot of trolling.

I think people that disagree with Petermh5 are either:

1. Perpetual losers who want to get back in the game via some cheapshot.

2. Trolling for attention.

3. Enjoy getting revenge from a legitamate victory by forcing the game to be played out.

These are the only possiblities I can see. There really is no arguing against his position, it is too solid. If I see you all continue to repeat the same futile, failed arguments, then I may write to the staff and see what can be done about all the trolling.

read his first post, then the first couple pages.

Are you a #1, #2, 0r #3?

no

Sorry those are mutually exclusive and logically exhasutive categories. You are in one of the groups if you disagree with the OP, just trying to find out which one.

no, you asked if I fell into any of the categories. I said no I wasn't a 1, 2, or 3.

Ubik42
Markle wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:

I have to agree with the OP. When someone is down in material by 3-5 points, they should just resign.

I havent seen any successful arguments against him, just a lot of trolling.

I think people that disagree with Petermh5 are either:

1. Perpetual losers who want to get back in the game via some cheapshot.

2. Trolling for attention.

3. Enjoy getting revenge from a legitamate victory by forcing the game to be played out.

These are the only possiblities I can see. There really is no arguing against his position, it is too solid. If I see you all continue to repeat the same futile, failed arguments, then I may write to the staff and see what can be done about all the trolling.

So if i sac a Knight for an attack i am now down 3 pts.and you think i should just resign, That is just a bunch of crap people resign when they want to NOT when you tell them to, so get over it.

Who do you think you are? You think you can just resign...oh...whenever you want to?

Ubik42
falcogrine wrote:
 

no, you asked if I fell into any of the categories. I said no I wasn't a 1, 2, or 3.

Sorry there arent any other options.

chessgdt

Yeah, youre a #4 -someone who has proof or good reason to disagree with the OP (Anyone who posted a diagram of proof of why it is bad or gave an example to prove their point)

chessgdt
Ubik42 wrote:
falcogrine wrote:
 

no, you asked if I fell into any of the categories. I said no I wasn't a 1, 2, or 3.

Sorry there arent any other options.

Ok, now i'm forced to assume that you are trolling now. Am I right?

Markle

If you expect your opponent to just resign when they are down a little material instead of you having to go ahead and win the game then the only category you fall under is laziness

Ubik42

I think many here who are against the OP are likely stooges of FIDE. Does anyone know why FIDE has not implemented these very suggestions?

I just want to say one thing: FIDE's shady business deals are designed to enrich FIDE while blackmailing politicians into priming the pump of Machiavellianism. But before I continue, allow me to explain that it believes that it knows 100% of everything 100% of the time. Unfortunately, as long as it believes such absurdities, it will continue to commit atrocities. FIDE has managed to mollify its more trusting critics simply by promising not to blackmail politicians into combining, in a rare mixture, bestial cruelty and an inconceivable gift for lying. We shall see how long that lasts. In the meantime, if we foreground the cognitive and emotional palette of FIDE's uninformed activities rather than their pathology we can enter vitally into its world. Why do we want to do that? Because FIDE's primary goal is to hasten the destruction of our civilization. All of its other objectives are secondary to this one supreme purpose. That's why you must always remember that we must stop tiptoeing and begin marching boldly and forthrightly towards our goal, which is to get people to stop believing lies that were forged in the fiery pits of hell.

Even as I write those words I can feel FIDE cringe. That's okay. Cringe. I don't care because its latest manifesto, like all the ones that preceded it, is a consummate anthology of disastrously bad writing teeming with misquotations and inaccuracies, an odyssey of anecdotes that are occasionally entertaining but certainly not informative. There's no shortage of sin in the world today. It's been around since the Garden of Eden and will indeed persist as long as FIDE continues to compose paeans to hoodlumism.

I am convinced that there will be a strong effort on FIDE's part to force onto us the degradation and ignominy that it is known to revel in faster than you can say "theologicohistorical". This effort will be disguised, of course. It will be cloaked in deceit, as such efforts always are. That's why I'm informing you that FIDE's cronies were recently seen directing social activity toward philanthropic flimflam rather than toward the elimination of the basic deficiencies in the organization of our economic and cultural life. That's not a one-time accident or oversight. That's FIDE's policy. Why does FIDE want to encourage young people to break all the rules, cut themselves loose from their roots, and adopt a silly lifestyle? I, hardheaded cynic that I am, believe it's to create such chaotic conditions in our lives that we'll welcome massive regulation, police restraints, and New World Order socialist oppression just to get order again. If you don't believe me then consider that we must all face the storm and stress of leading FIDE out of a dream world and back to hard reality. This exercise will, at the very least, demonstrate to the world that FIDE has a glib proficiency with words and very sensitive nostrils. It can smell money in your pocket from a block away. Once that delicious aroma reaches FIDE's nostrils, it'll start talking about the joy of egoism and how it is an institution of morality, achievements, and noble qualities, one that often sacrifices its own reputation or safety in order to pursue that which is right and those things that truly matter. As you listen to FIDE's sing-song, chances are you won't even notice its hand as it goes into your pocket. Only later, after you realize you've been robbed, will you truly understand that I support those who devote their life to education and activism. It is through their tireless efforts that people everywhere are learning that I doubtlessly insist that FIDE is a censorious roustabout. How else can I characterize an organization that did all of the following and then some?

  • Impede the free flow of information
  • Sell quack pharmaceutical supplies (and you should be suspicious whenever you hear such telltale words and phrases as "breakthrough", "miracle", "secret remedy", "exclusive", and "clinical studies prove that…")
  • Throw us into a "heads I win, tails you lose" situation

I could lengthen this list, but I shall rest my case. The point is that the earth presents a wonderful example of variety in all classes of the animal and vegetable kingdoms. People, beasts, and plants belonging to distinct classes all exhibit special qualities and peculiarities. Unfortunately, FIDE's special quality is that it argues that black is white and night is day. To maintain this thesis, FIDE naturally has had to shovel away a mountain of evidence, which it does by the desperate expedient of claiming that the Universe belongs to it by right.

Let us now join hands, hearts, and minds to criticize the obvious incongruities presented by FIDE and its disciples. In its annual report on haughty, untrustworthy incidents, the government concluded that FIDE all but forces its flunkies to judge people based solely on hearsay. Interestingly, its flunkies don't much seem to mind being given such sordid orders. I guess it's hard to free the worst classes of procacious, deceitful loobies there are from the chains they revere. A related observation is that if you'll allow me a minor dysphemism, I sincerely cannot believe that FIDE would consider unprofessional-to-the-core ideologues as stolid, soulless power brokers. Or, to phrase that a little more politely, over the years, I've enjoyed a number of genuinely pleasurable (and pleasurably genuine) conversations with a variety of people who understand that malign malefactors tend to dismiss reason, science, and objective reality. In one such conversation, someone pointed out to me that this is not Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, where the state would be eager to pooh-pooh the reams of solid evidence pointing to the existence and operation of a grotesque coterie of moral relativism. Not yet, at least. But FIDE is like the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz. Pull back the curtain of absolutism and you'll see a morally repugnant Fagin hiding behind it, furiously pulling the levers of hedonism in a destructive attempt to accelerate the natural tendency of civilization to devolve from order to chaos, liberty to tyranny, and virtue to vice. That sort of discovery should make any sane person realize that it's scary how effectively FIDE has been catering to the basest instincts of prudish tricksters. I deeply regret the loss of life and injuries sustained by this tragedy. I am currently working to understand the surrounding circumstances so as to improve our ability to break away from the peloton and weaken the critical links in FIDE's nexus of irritable exhibitionism.

Whenever someone tells FIDE not to create new (and reinforce existing) prejudices and misconceptions, FIDE gets all teary-eyed. My, my; how sad. My heart bleeds for it; it really does. You may not understand this now, and I don't fault you for that, but we should use our words to create understanding and progress, not hatred and division. Why does that matter? It matters because if we were to let FIDE get away with parlaying personal and political conspiracy theories into a multimillion-dollar financial empire, that would be a gross miscarriage of justice. Let me end this letter with a call to action. Please join those of us who are dealing summarily with harebrained cretins, and through your support we will provide information and inspiration to as many people as possible. Together we will guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by FIDE and its gang. Together we will get my message about FIDE out to the world.

 
falcogrine
chessgdt wrote:

Yeah, youre a #4 -someone who has proof or good reason to disagree with the OP (Anyone who posted a diagram of proof of why it is bad or gave an example to prove their point)

wonderful comment

chessgdt
falcogrine wrote:
chessgdt wrote:

Yeah, youre a #4 -someone who has proof or good reason to disagree with the OP (Anyone who posted a diagram of proof of why it is bad or gave an example to prove their point)

wonderful comment

Laughing

Ubik42

Oh surprise, no one responds to my arguments. That means your side doesnt have any.

falcogrine
Ubik42 wrote:

I think many here who are against the OP are likely stooges of FIDE. Does anyone know why FIDE has not implemented these very suggestions?

I just want to say one thing: FIDE's shady business deals are designed to enrich FIDE while blackmailing politicians into priming the pump of Machiavellianism. But before I continue, allow me to explain that it believes that it knows 100% of everything 100% of the time. Unfortunately, as long as it believes such absurdities, it will continue to commit atrocities. FIDE has managed to mollify its more trusting critics simply by promising not to blackmail politicians into combining, in a rare mixture, bestial cruelty and an inconceivable gift for lying. We shall see how long that lasts. In the meantime, if we foreground the cognitive and emotional palette of FIDE's uninformed activities rather than their pathology we can enter vitally into its world. Why do we want to do that? Because FIDE's primary goal is to hasten the destruction of our civilization. All of its other objectives are secondary to this one supreme purpose. That's why you must always remember that we must stop tiptoeing and begin marching boldly and forthrightly towards our goal, which is to get people to stop believing lies that were forged in the fiery pits of hell.

Even as I write those words I can feel FIDE cringe. That's okay. Cringe. I don't care because its latest manifesto, like all the ones that preceded it, is a consummate anthology of disastrously bad writing teeming with misquotations and inaccuracies, an odyssey of anecdotes that are occasionally entertaining but certainly not informative. There's no shortage of sin in the world today. It's been around since the Garden of Eden and will indeed persist as long as FIDE continues to compose paeans to hoodlumism.

I am convinced that there will be a strong effort on FIDE's part to force onto us the degradation and ignominy that it is known to revel in faster than you can say "theologicohistorical". This effort will be disguised, of course. It will be cloaked in deceit, as such efforts always are. That's why I'm informing you that FIDE's cronies were recently seen directing social activity toward philanthropic flimflam rather than toward the elimination of the basic deficiencies in the organization of our economic and cultural life. That's not a one-time accident or oversight. That's FIDE's policy. Why does FIDE want to encourage young people to break all the rules, cut themselves loose from their roots, and adopt a silly lifestyle? I, hardheaded cynic that I am, believe it's to create such chaotic conditions in our lives that we'll welcome massive regulation, police restraints, and New World Order socialist oppression just to get order again. If you don't believe me then consider that we must all face the storm and stress of leading FIDE out of a dream world and back to hard reality. This exercise will, at the very least, demonstrate to the world that FIDE has a glib proficiency with words and very sensitive nostrils. It can smell money in your pocket from a block away. Once that delicious aroma reaches FIDE's nostrils, it'll start talking about the joy of egoism and how it is an institution of morality, achievements, and noble qualities, one that often sacrifices its own reputation or safety in order to pursue that which is right and those things that truly matter. As you listen to FIDE's sing-song, chances are you won't even notice its hand as it goes into your pocket. Only later, after you realize you've been robbed, will you truly understand that I support those who devote their life to education and activism. It is through their tireless efforts that people everywhere are learning that I doubtlessly insist that FIDE is a censorious roustabout. How else can I characterize an organization that did all of the following and then some?

Impede the free flow of information Sell quack pharmaceutical supplies (and you should be suspicious whenever you hear such telltale words and phrases as "breakthrough", "miracle", "secret remedy", "exclusive", and "clinical studies prove that…") Throw us into a "heads I win, tails you lose" situation

I could lengthen this list, but I shall rest my case. The point is that the earth presents a wonderful example of variety in all classes of the animal and vegetable kingdoms. People, beasts, and plants belonging to distinct classes all exhibit special qualities and peculiarities. Unfortunately, FIDE's special quality is that it argues that black is white and night is day. To maintain this thesis, FIDE naturally has had to shovel away a mountain of evidence, which it does by the desperate expedient of claiming that the Universe belongs to it by right.

Let us now join hands, hearts, and minds to criticize the obvious incongruities presented by FIDE and its disciples. In its annual report on haughty, untrustworthy incidents, the government concluded that FIDE all but forces its flunkies to judge people based solely on hearsay. Interestingly, its flunkies don't much seem to mind being given such sordid orders. I guess it's hard to free the worst classes of procacious, deceitful loobies there are from the chains they revere. A related observation is that if you'll allow me a minor dysphemism, I sincerely cannot believe that FIDE would consider unprofessional-to-the-core ideologues as stolid, soulless power brokers. Or, to phrase that a little more politely, over the years, I've enjoyed a number of genuinely pleasurable (and pleasurably genuine) conversations with a variety of people who understand that malign malefactors tend to dismiss reason, science, and objective reality. In one such conversation, someone pointed out to me that this is not Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, where the state would be eager to pooh-pooh the reams of solid evidence pointing to the existence and operation of a grotesque coterie of moral relativism. Not yet, at least. But FIDE is like the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz. Pull back the curtain of absolutism and you'll see a morally repugnant Fagin hiding behind it, furiously pulling the levers of hedonism in a destructive attempt to accelerate the natural tendency of civilization to devolve from order to chaos, liberty to tyranny, and virtue to vice. That sort of discovery should make any sane person realize that it's scary how effectively FIDE has been catering to the basest instincts of prudish tricksters. I deeply regret the loss of life and injuries sustained by this tragedy. I am currently working to understand the surrounding circumstances so as to improve our ability to break away from the peloton and weaken the critical links in FIDE's nexus of irritable exhibitionism.

Whenever someone tells FIDE not to create new (and reinforce existing) prejudices and misconceptions, FIDE gets all teary-eyed. My, my; how sad. My heart bleeds for it; it really does. You may not understand this now, and I don't fault you for that, but we should use our words to create understanding and progress, not hatred and division. Why does that matter? It matters because if we were to let FIDE get away with parlaying personal and political conspiracy theories into a multimillion-dollar financial empire, that would be a gross miscarriage of justice. Let me end this letter with a call to action. Please join those of us who are dealing summarily with harebrained cretins, and through your support we will provide information and inspiration to as many people as possible. Together we will guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by FIDE and its gang. Together we will get my message about FIDE out to the world.

 

wow, long post. btw, Godwin's Law, you lose.

Ubik42

Minute 30 of not seeing any arguments to counter mine.

Petermh5
Ubik42 wrote:

I have to agree with the OP. When someone is down in material by 3-5 points, they should just resign.

I havent seen any successful arguments against him, just a lot of trolling.

I think people that disagree with Petermh5 are either:

1. Perpetual losers who want to get back in the game via some cheapshot.

2. Trolling for attention.

3. Enjoy getting revenge from a legitamate victory by forcing the game to be played out.

These are the only possiblities I can see. There really is no arguing against his position, it is too solid. If I see you all continue to repeat the same futile, failed arguments, then I may write to the staff and see what can be done about all the trolling.

Hello, thank you for your support. While I fully agree with the intention of your comment, you must not be so harsh. Keep in mind that, while their behavior may appear destructive and hostile, they do not all see the error of their ways. They are like one's immune system reacting to a foreign threat. They have obviously invested incredible amounts of time into Chess, and that is very admirable, but it would understandably cause them to take some kind of offense to the truth that much of their dedication to the game might have been in vain, as radical changes to the rules are necessary. Players have learned to exploit loopholes to steal wins from the deserved true victors, and it is not entirely their fault -- that is what they must do to stay competitive in a competitive environment. Borderline cheating or not, it was necessary for them to do to stay afloat. But that does need to end, and, come on guys, I should not be one of the first ones to suggest such an obvious and called for change of rules.

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