chess openings are cheating.

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It's a luck sports are not ruled by a majority of unaware people who try out chess like others would see if they get lucky at rolling dices or pulling good cards.

Of course chess needs ruling from "above" and not from a crowd rushing things in order to get speedy fun.

I don't think anybody in their right mind wants to see museums invaded by childish drawings nor would anyone pay a ticket for a concert of kindergarden kids banging on tin cans with wooden spoons.

Enough said, it's exhausting and tedious to explain and describe the obvious. Sure thing, global awareness has decreased by a whole lot lately, and Internet provided an opportunity for every silly or ignorant person to voice uneducated strong opinions over almost everything.

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I mean, look, what percentage of flatearthers would it take for you to begin say books saying the Earth is round should be corrected?

To me, no % of flatearthers could convince me to change anything. Cos guess what, no can be day in a place and night in an other at the same time, if the Earth is flat. Waive a candle or a flashlight over a plate, and you'll see what I mean.

Damn. Grr.

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Kaeldorn написал:

Can you figure out the scandal that occured when a player, in the middle of a prized Top chess players tournament in the early 20th Century (GM title existed not back then), won his game by promoting a pawn into a piece of his opponent's colour and delivering checkmate by it?

No, i don't, but want to know, what the game?

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AndrewWhiteinGale написал:

acknowledging some points above, i have to say prized or not prized tournament, either way i don't think it should reveal gambits and countergambits until the end of the game or if the game is analysed.
imo, you should look at it from casual point of view not from point of view of some kind of game masters because they're not most people who visit or play chess online. 
so, yeah i wont re repeat itd be silly, just wanted to mention how i feel about the thing, myself.

That's the point, and I answered from that angle - I was also at a very low rating and still remember how difficult it was to play there. And it was from that perspective that I responded—it wouldn't have benefited me at all.

Well, at the level of "tell me the best opening for winning," it won't help much, and might even harm. Because the best opening is YOUR opening. It doesn't matter how strong it is, what matters is how well you UNDERSTAND it. And by understanding it, you can confuse your opponent and gain real advantage.

These same move suggestions without ideas can simply put you in a difficult position, where you don't even understand where you're headed even with great advantage.

At such a rating, there's only one piece of advice: experience. The more you lose, the more practical experience you gain, and that's the only thing that matters, because in a critical situation, it's the ability to analyze that will save you. Yes, you'll fall down, but at a certain point, a critical mass of understanding the basic principles of the game will carry you back up.

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yeah uh it was far simpler than that my thought process didnt come from anything deep or self-centered. i just thought gambits and counter gambits must not be revealed. that's all

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since, this dialogue got tracktion after few weeks, I am gonna develop my thought a bit to what i meant as gambit and countergambit.

Not just every word with "Gambit" in it but also attacks that are inherently a form of gambit that appears later in the game like Traxler Attack. If it doesn't have the word gambit but is still gambit and just suddenly appears, it is also a form of cheating. 
Even if it's "useless" or whatever, or the player doesn't notice, it's still technical cheating. I don't plan on overthinking just saying. because it is the same as being whispered "this is a gambit" in a person's ear which in my opinion is still form of cheating anyway.

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AndrewWhiteinGale написал:

yeah uh it was far simpler than that my thought process didnt come from anything deep or self-centered. i just thought gambits and counter gambits must not be revealed. that's all

Another problem is that it's not a given that you'll be offered the optimal choice for beginners, but rather the strongest continuation from a chess perspective, but the most difficult from a playing level perspective.

In theory, this might help in the moment, but in the long run, it's of almost no use, because if you don't analyze your games later, you simply won't be able to find optimal paths for yourself and won't be able to effectively respond to similar attacks.

One game is nothing compared to a thousand, but the experience of understanding it will stay with you forever. Those who just google "how to continue" will remain here forever, and those who try to figure out how to navigate this for themselves will emerge victorious. Even if you make mistakes, the most important thing is that you tried. The will to win is what newbies lack. And that's the only thing that will truly pull you out of the bottom.

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Here's a trivial example: in the Queen's Gambit (the only opening i play), there's a gambit against gambit for Black called the McDonnell Defense.

The optimal move from a theoretical perspective is the Nf3. However, this move easily leads to extremely sharp continuations for white that are extremely easy to fail and are completely unsuitable for beginners (for example, to deprive yourself of castling). The correct continuations for a beginner actually give Black an advantage. And even if they show you them, they won't show you other weak continuations that are effective specifically for beginners and against beginners.

From my experience, no advice or follow-up from anywhere helped me, on the contrary, they did harm, and the traps didn't work.

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#4 by “it shouldn’t” i meant “if it does, it’s a glitch.” Where are you seeing the opening during play? Is it site-exclusive?
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#28

If an external help is going to be effective or not is beside the point. Should it help you lose or win, it simply must not happen so the record shows a clean encounter between two brains, two souls, you name it.

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um ok

Look all I'm saying is that chess.com is it's own platform, and it has a feature that gives players opening percentages for help. This is chess.com's own choice, since daily is not a type of game played in formal tournaments or FIDE, and that's for a reason- bc chess.com gives players opening probabilities.

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Stop trolling bro. That isn't the official cheating forum. Stop advertising and copying comments from mods. And you're the one saying fair play is stupid

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That's not the official cheating forum. Just because you said it is and named it accordingly doesn't mean it is. It has TWO members, you (who is the owner, so we KNOW it isn't real) and some poor guy you fooled.

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No idea why you are getting downvoted. Pretty valid take and i agree. Chess.com even allows it in daily games which i think is ridiculous

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ILoveFishstockItHelpsMe wrote:

I agree as well, but only discuss cheating in the Official Cheating Forum:

https://www.chess.com/club/official-cheating-forum

Ironic since you made a forum about cheating.