as a female beginner, this thread is so unwelcoming.
Ding ding ding.
I agree with btickler. I think you have to figure out the intention behind this posts. It is to feed your appetite for the sake of your appetite. There is no greater good involved in this.
For instance if you were looking at girls pictures on a marriage site, and talking about them with other people, hopefully, your intention would be to get married. Here you are not using the pictures to feed your lust and desires, but putting your faculties and senses to use for some greater good.
The chess players intend to play only chess. They don't purposefully ask their pictures to be taken, which celebrities do, and purposefully pose for them, for money, all the time, everywhere, whenever, as much as they can. Their name, face, and existence is their currency. That is the game they are playing. They expect and want people to look at them. Of course these too quickly descend into the distasteful.
These chess players are not trading in the currency of fame. They are chess players and only expect their games and ratings to be discussed. No doubt the inevitable consequence of playing chess well brings you limelight and fame, and the spectators thinking that these images, since they are public, and they have it on their computers etc, belong to them, and can be used as they please, is where the wrong lies.
Isolating them for their looks alone, treating them like objects for your own gratification, at whatever level, from the hamless appreciative glance to the leering onanism, is using them for purposes otherwise intended.
Of course it may seem excessive, the female chess players are not being harmed in any way, and this is all just a fuss about nothing.
But I don't think any one would be posting their mothers, sisters, wives, daughters playing chess in this thread. This is an inappropriate context. In the proper context, in a family album, we would be happy to have those pictures.
So the respect we extend to those we love and care about, should be extended to these women. This is a matter of personal choice. I cannot taliban you into doing it. You have to decide for yourself.
Nonsense. Satisfying sexual wishes and desires for the sake of satisfying them is not wrong nor immoral. Action is wrong if when it becomes widespread it has negative effect on society. If everyone has a lot of sexual partners before getting married and uses contraceptives, there is no pregnancies, nor diseases, there is no negative consequences on society. Same thing for self pleasure, everyone does it and it has no negative effect on society. Just like everyone has several sexual partners before marriage. Promiscuity and masturbation are morally neutral.
"Isolating them for their looks alone, treating them like objects for your own gratification, at whatever level, from the hamless appreciative glance to the leering onanism, is using them for purposes otherwise intended"
As I said, there is nothing wrong with self pleasure. It doesn't matter for which purpose they posted their pictures, nobody here is in any way, shape of form hurting them by looking at their pictures or pleasuring themselves to their pictures in their privacy. Self pleasure is just as harmless as appreciative glance as long as it is done privately.
If you post a picture publicly, you agree that everyone can use it and you have no right to tell them what they will do with that picture in the privacy of their home. I am not a homosexual, but if I homosexual sees my pictures on the internet and masturbates to them, I have no right to stop them. I am in no way, shape or form harmed by any homosexual pleasuring themselves to my pictures in the privacy of their homes.
I definitely agree, this logic leads to people thinking others cant film them in public. Its a behavior that is emotional first, and intelligence second. They just want to be outraged at something, and knowing someone has your picture is a major trigger. Also the point is, how do you even enforce what hes saying. You cant hack their computer or pass a law ever to ban someone from having pictures of you lol
This above is all a straw man.
There's no issue with the various tournament photos themselves or that they were taken. It's compiling them into a thread where women are compared against each other to decide who is the most attractive by those who, in theory, ought to be telling women directly that they find them attractive (in a respectful manner at appropriate times), not giggling with their school buddies behind the shed out back over photos...have some dignity.
as a female beginner, this thread is so unwelcoming.
There are plenty of idiots... especially teenage male idiots... on the Chess.com forum; but there are plenty of good people, too.
The idiots tend to be more vocal, though.
I agree with btickler. I think you have to figure out the intention behind this posts. It is to feed your appetite for the sake of your appetite. There is no greater good involved in this.
For instance if you were looking at girls pictures on a marriage site, and talking about them with other people, hopefully, your intention would be to get married. Here you are not using the pictures to feed your lust and desires, but putting your faculties and senses to use for some greater good.
The chess players intend to play only chess. They don't purposefully ask their pictures to be taken, which celebrities do, and purposefully pose for them, for money, all the time, everywhere, whenever, as much as they can. Their name, face, and existence is their currency. That is the game they are playing. They expect and want people to look at them. Of course these too quickly descend into the distasteful.
These chess players are not trading in the currency of fame. They are chess players and only expect their games and ratings to be discussed. No doubt the inevitable consequence of playing chess well brings you limelight and fame, and the spectators thinking that these images, since they are public, and they have it on their computers etc, belong to them, and can be used as they please, is where the wrong lies.
Isolating them for their looks alone, treating them like objects for your own gratification, at whatever level, from the hamless appreciative glance to the leering onanism, is using them for purposes otherwise intended.
Of course it may seem excessive, the female chess players are not being harmed in any way, and this is all just a fuss about nothing.
But I don't think any one would be posting their mothers, sisters, wives, daughters playing chess in this thread. This is an inappropriate context. In the proper context, in a family album, we would be happy to have those pictures.
So the respect we extend to those we love and care about, should be extended to these women. This is a matter of personal choice. I cannot taliban you into doing it. You have to decide for yourself.
Nonsense. Satisfying sexual wishes and desires for the sake of satisfying them is not wrong nor immoral. Action is wrong if when it becomes widespread it has negative effect on society. If everyone has a lot of sexual partners before getting married and uses contraceptives, there is no pregnancies, nor diseases, there is no negative consequences on society. Same thing for self pleasure, everyone does it and it has no negative effect on society. Just like everyone has several sexual partners before marriage. Promiscuity and masturbation are morally neutral.
"Isolating them for their looks alone, treating them like objects for your own gratification, at whatever level, from the hamless appreciative glance to the leering onanism, is using them for purposes otherwise intended"
As I said, there is nothing wrong with self pleasure. It doesn't matter for which purpose they posted their pictures, nobody here is in any way, shape of form hurting them by looking at their pictures or pleasuring themselves to their pictures in their privacy. Self pleasure is just as harmless as appreciative glance as long as it is done privately.
If you post a picture publicly, you agree that everyone can use it and you have no right to tell them what they will do with that picture in the privacy of their home. I am not a homosexual, but if I homosexual sees my pictures on the internet and masturbates to them, I have no right to stop them. I am in no way, shape or form harmed by any homosexual pleasuring themselves to my pictures in the privacy of their homes.
I definitely agree, this logic leads to people thinking others cant film them in public. Its a behavior that is emotional first, and intelligence second. They just want to be outraged at something, and knowing someone has your picture is a major trigger. Also the point is, how do you even enforce what hes saying. You cant hack their computer or pass a law ever to ban someone from having pictures of you lol
You have the right to not be filmed in public or anywhere else. But if you post pictures publicly or you agree to post pictures publicly you have no right to say that this or that person can't possess your picture and do whatever he wants with it. I have no right to say to a gay man whether he can keep my pictures that I posted publicly online and what he is allowed and not allowed to do with them.
I agree with btickler. I think you have to figure out the intention behind this posts. It is to feed your appetite for the sake of your appetite. There is no greater good involved in this.
For instance if you were looking at girls pictures on a marriage site, and talking about them with other people, hopefully, your intention would be to get married. Here you are not using the pictures to feed your lust and desires, but putting your faculties and senses to use for some greater good.
The chess players intend to play only chess. They don't purposefully ask their pictures to be taken, which celebrities do, and purposefully pose for them, for money, all the time, everywhere, whenever, as much as they can. Their name, face, and existence is their currency. That is the game they are playing. They expect and want people to look at them. Of course these too quickly descend into the distasteful.
These chess players are not trading in the currency of fame. They are chess players and only expect their games and ratings to be discussed. No doubt the inevitable consequence of playing chess well brings you limelight and fame, and the spectators thinking that these images, since they are public, and they have it on their computers etc, belong to them, and can be used as they please, is where the wrong lies.
Isolating them for their looks alone, treating them like objects for your own gratification, at whatever level, from the hamless appreciative glance to the leering onanism, is using them for purposes otherwise intended.
Of course it may seem excessive, the female chess players are not being harmed in any way, and this is all just a fuss about nothing.
But I don't think any one would be posting their mothers, sisters, wives, daughters playing chess in this thread. This is an inappropriate context. In the proper context, in a family album, we would be happy to have those pictures.
So the respect we extend to those we love and care about, should be extended to these women. This is a matter of personal choice. I cannot taliban you into doing it. You have to decide for yourself.
Nonsense. Satisfying sexual wishes and desires for the sake of satisfying them is not wrong nor immoral. Action is wrong if when it becomes widespread it has negative effect on society. If everyone has a lot of sexual partners before getting married and uses contraceptives, there is no pregnancies, nor diseases, there is no negative consequences on society. Same thing for self pleasure, everyone does it and it has no negative effect on society. Just like everyone has several sexual partners before marriage. Promiscuity and masturbation are morally neutral.
"Isolating them for their looks alone, treating them like objects for your own gratification, at whatever level, from the hamless appreciative glance to the leering onanism, is using them for purposes otherwise intended"
As I said, there is nothing wrong with self pleasure. It doesn't matter for which purpose they posted their pictures, nobody here is in any way, shape of form hurting them by looking at their pictures or pleasuring themselves to their pictures in their privacy. Self pleasure is just as harmless as appreciative glance as long as it is done privately.
If you post a picture publicly, you agree that everyone can use it and you have no right to tell them what they will do with that picture in the privacy of their home. I am not a homosexual, but if I homosexual sees my pictures on the internet and masturbates to them, I have no right to stop them. I am in no way, shape or form harmed by any homosexual pleasuring themselves to my pictures in the privacy of their homes.
I definitely agree, this logic leads to people thinking others cant film them in public. Its a behavior that is emotional first, and intelligence second. They just want to be outraged at something, and knowing someone has your picture is a major trigger. Also the point is, how do you even enforce what hes saying. You cant hack their computer or pass a law ever to ban someone from having pictures of you lol
This above is all a straw man.
There's no issue with the various tournament photos themselves or that they were taken. It's compiling them into a thread where women are compared against each other to decide who is the most attractive by those who, in theory, ought to be telling women directly that they find them attractive (in a respectful manner at appropriate times), not giggling with their school buddies behind the shed out back over photos...have some dignity.
What you said does make sense, what professor said, or however is the account name of the person to whom I responded said, is nonsense. You two didn't make the same argument.
@btickler in my original comment I was attacking professor argumentation, I don't neccessarily think that thread like this one is ok, because I tend to agree with you.
This thread doesn't really deliver on it's promise. I was expecting images of hot babes that are also smart, but the total number of pretty chess players is really pathetic. After scanning all 23 pages, it was the picture of a young Ivanchuk that impressed me most.
Given the fact that multiple members are complaining about objectification and are unhappy with a thread like this, my advice to defenders of this topic: Don't choose this hill to die on. This underwhelming collection not worth saving. The mods might as well kill it.
You have the right to not be filmed in public or anywhere else.
This is not correct, you can film anything you see from a public place, including people. If people want privacy in a public place they have to create it themselves with masks, hoodies etc
this is an actual thread? people simping for gm's girlfriends and pro women?
take this people, you have been approved
What you said does make sense, what professor said, or however is the account name of the person to whom I responded said, is nonsense. You two didn't make the same argument.
That is true . He was on the same side, but for the wrong reasons.
Qiyu Zhou and Anna Cramling for me, and that's not because both of them are streamers. I'd actually argue the opposite ─ both of them are popular streamers at least partially because they are physically attractive. I'm allowed to compliment chess players on appearance without "objectifying" them or whatever, right?
as a female beginner, this thread is so unwelcoming.