why most of chess players are fond of cheating against their opponent

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Azukikuru
denner90 wrote:

Online chess is ripe for cheaters.

I haven't noticed. I mostly play turn-based, but out of the ~200 games I have played, I have lost to a cheater maybe two or three times (that I know of, after analyzing the games or seeing people get banned). Then again, I have a tendency to play lower than my level because I like open tournaments. I guess that means that most cheaters are to be found only at the highest level.

DjonniDerevnja

I do score around 1200 in blitz, 10 minutes, and worse at shorter timecontrols.

I dont play much blitz, and will improve if I play more. I need speed.

Allyanae, it looks like you almost never play online . I guess your fastest way to improvement is to play a lot of longchess or online, to give yourself time to really think long.

My nephew, TheAlmightyHelix, is good at blitz (1710), and he shows that its possible to play fair at that strenght. But he has played OTB for several years, including games on The Norwegian junior or kid national team. Good Otb-players will typically have blitzrating well above 1400.

zborg
Iluvsmetuna wrote:

How many members can't play chess at all and want to make it look like they can play ?

Gamers (without chess knowledge) = Cheats.  Very simple source, and only one of many reasons for folks to cheat.

10 percent cheats (seems plausible), and implies a very large number, unfortunately.

I'm surprised the MODs have allowed this thread to go on for 2 days.  Is someone asleep at the wheel, or have the posting rules changed?  

Discussion of this topic has typically been restricted to the "Cheating Forum" Group.

Marcokim

Of course there are a few cheats at sub-1800 level, but most of them cheat a little and honestly the probablity of you encountering them is too small to affect your ratings significantly.

Chess is very difficult to improve, lots of times sub-1800 players know so little theory that its a toss of the dice. So I am trying to improve my openings but also enjoy the game and don't ply too many games when tired.

DjonniDerevnja

I support alexm. I have not discovered one single computermove in 1805 blitzgames and 598 online.

Blitz is something I play to rehearse and try out openings, and to improve my speed.

In absolutely all games I lost, I have done at least one bad move, so those games would be lost regardless of if the opponent were a computer or a good human.

Iluvsmetuna

I'd say close to 10 percent, based on what I see.

Jenium
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slightlybalding
Iluvsmetuna wrote:

I'd say close to 10 percent, based on what I see.

If that is so, it can hardly be any problem finding 5 games in bullet, blitz or standard chess from the past week where there was a cheater?

Can you show me just one or two recent cheater games?

DjonniDerevnja
Call_Me_Loser wrote:
DjonniDerevnja hat geschrieben:

I support alexm. I have not discovered one single computermove in 1805 blitzgames and 598 online.

Blitz is something I play to rehearse and try out openings, and to improve my speed.

In absolutely all games I lost, I have done at least one bad move, so those games would be lost regardless of if the opponent were a computer or a good human.

not true

I meet blitzers at betweeen 1000 and 1500 strenght, and onliners at between 1000 and 2100. I am not able to spot any cheating, and I think a computer would have had more rating than my competitors.

I have done mistakes in all my lost games, and actually in many of my won games too.

DiogenesDue
TurboFish wrote:

If 1400-rated player is using a chess engine to cheat, that must be a really weak engine!  Realistically, an engine user should have an inflated rating above 2000.

And the counter-argument that the engine is only used for some of their moves is unprovable.  Even unassisted weak players will often make the same moves that the engine would choose.  During the World Championship match, I sometimes correctly predicted what Carlsen and Anand would play.  So what?  This just shows that some "best moves" are much easier to find than others.

Too many people here are too quick to blame others instead of accepting responsibility for their own lack of progress.

This happened to me watching the WCC this past week, game 10, move 28 (Bxb7)...I looked at the position and decided pretty quickly that if after Rxb7 Anand pushed d7, that the game would be drawn after Nc6...and 4 moves later, it was drawn, exactly as I had predicted.  

Am I a GM?  Hell no.

Must I be an engine user because I made 4 moves in row that super GMs played?  No.  In fact Bxb7 was not in the top handful of engine choices at all.

A lot of back-seat engine analyzers assume cheating because they are self-fufilling their prophecy.  They have never analyzed "normal" games using an engine, so when they first use an engine to analyze a game it's because they suspect cheating, ergo, they "find" cheating regardless of whether it actually takes place ;)...

"OMG they played a top engine move 3 moves in a row!  Cheeeeeeating!"

"That was a simple back rank mate in 3...it's totally forced, my friend."

"Oh."

CrazyJae

In two years of online chess, on my old account and this one, I remember only two people I thought were cheating

allyanae

 sorry for what I did. To my sympathizers Thank you so much, for those who hated me. well theres  nothing I can do about it. But one thing I can be proud of to myself, although I am not a good chess player, at least I played fairly. To those who reacted negatively to my post are those who have a "bad bread" in there container.

lane_chess

I haven't had suspicions of people cheating, it seems to be the experience of an average player such as myself.

allyanae

well...

Iluvsmetuna

Arrogance.

Robert_New_Alekhine

In some positions, there are clear best moves, that any amatuer can find.

allyanae

well im thinking about it maam, but my priorities right now is my practicum studies. thanks anyways for your sincere offer of help.

DjonniDerevnja

alyanae, when you think most of your opponents beating you is cheating, I just dont believe it, and I also think that your conclusion has something to do with lack of chessunderstanding. You should analyze your games with a masterplayer.

Myself, I am good enough too see that I am making bad moves myself in all the games I loose. Every single one. 

So, I think you are in the wrong mindset. Those 1400(blitz)-players are actually quite good, and very capable of winning when they avoid mistakes.

Irontiger
Ballmorphy wrote:
Irontiger wrote:
Ballmorphy wrote:

SO Obvious when the same opponent has two different styles of play with 1000 rating points of skill between them.

Please tell us how you recognize the 2500+ "style of play".

Let me guess, they don't hang pieces?

Good Question.  Anybody under 2000 blitz rating should be making at least one game-losing blunder every game in a 5 or 3 minute game.  When a 1500 player makes 30 perfect moves in a row that are tactically sound and very deep with zero mistakes, well either he is a secret grandmaster, or he is cheating.

And, of course, you can provide us with a blatant example of such a game.

Iluvsmetuna

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