To inject a disease or induce an illness in animals is shocking. That is what gets to me in particular.
No kidding. I already feel bad when I get caught up at work and don't get to feed my dogs til late in the night....and hear them whimpering at the door.
@#109, It can be an act, methods of making decisions, deceitful nature, neglect, total disregard of others etc. There are many things that can bring up a moral debate or flag ethics.
It's not just suffering and cruelty? These are the outcomes rather.
Fkey, oh they know why they chose to continue to do so. It's whether enough funding is given to find alternatives means of carrying out studies that don't have to have premature "death testing". (I like using the term death testing to animal testing, seeing as though many are just killed in the process)
Pharmaceutical/Cosmetic/Agricultural companies have had their hands tied for a long while on these issues, but I don't know what is being done by the governments to find an answer.
@#109, It can be an act, methods of making decisions, deceitful nature, neglect, total disregard of others etc. There are many things that can bring up a moral debate or flag ethics.
It's not just suffering and cruelty? These are the outcomes rather.
Ah. I was just answering the thread question - why I'm against animal testing. Because it is immoral. Immoral because it deprives the animal of it's freedom, stolen away from it's natural habitat, put into a cage. That is the first degree of cruelty. And from there and then on, the animal is subjected to all the other degrees of cruelty and suffering in these tests until its death.
I wouldn't want that to happen to me, to my pets, to anyone I know...very simple idea of morality and ethics I have.
If the discussion gets any more complicated than this...you might as well speak Chinese to me.
Just want to reiterate, I come from a country where there was no "modern medicine", no labs of animal testing, no pharma...and most people died of old age, if war/crimes did not get to them first. And if they did die from an illness, it'd naturally would be from an untreated infection. But people's bodies were not riddled with diseases.
All these endless forms of cancers, leukemia, alzheimers, parkinsons, diabetes, etc...that people are dying from in the "civilized first world"...
CLEARLY - all the monkeying around with the laws of natures that goes on in these labs do more harm than good....
Antibiotic resistance is one example
Animals don't ask questions, they eat their prey.
What is morality?
I don't like to see things suffer, i don't want to suffer. "Love your fellow as yourself" The bible. Sounds very reasonable. Self survival is also necessary, you must kill in self preservation or in preservation of others or eradication of evil. Sound reasonable.
How about using computer simulations instead of real organisms? Maybe one day in the future.
What if we test on plant cells as opposed to animal? Or insects, hmm? Would anyone oppose?
I don't see any animals against human testing.
Please stop cruelty against animals.
We do not want to prolong our life span at the cost of innocent creatures.
I could not agree more, connecttomk. Nicely said
I don't automatically see human life as being more valuable than animals.
If I had the choice between saving my dog or saving one of these clowns I see in politics or the news from a burning building, I'd save my dog.
I don't automatically see human life as being more valuable than animals.
That is key in addressing the question, I believe. When something like this statement occurs...
Does this justify animal testing? It is a small price to pay for so much good to come.
...then you have lost the plot concerning the value of humans, and you've made prejudice comfortable and elitism acceptable:)
Wonder what the peeps would make of aliens doing experiments on peeps.
Wonder what the peeps would make of aliens doing experiments on peeps.
The war of the worlds (the novel) sums this up very accurately.
Ah trysts....I can sleep happy knowing you will be sieving for the truth!
With me, it is what it is, trysts.
I don't automatically see human life as being more valuable than animals.
I do have a pecking order --- good over evil.
I AM PREJUDICED towards good... along the spectrum between those two poles...the good comes first.
Evil, in fact, is proper to man....that makes it hard for me to want to kill/torture any other creature for their benefit.
You brought up the controversy surrounding stem cell research. The only contest is a religious one. That's why religion came into the picture.