MainframeSupertasker wrote:
I think it's about "choosing" to accept the evidence.
Can you “choose“ to believe Spiderman exists in reality, and actually believe it? No? Great! I’m afraid you’ll have to come up with another ad hoc explanation.
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Because God can’t just forget sin without it being punished @ ginger ninja
By definition of believe you can choose to believe Spider-Man exists and believe he exists. It’s just that your believe does not make or break his existence
The only way I was shown His evidence 4 months ago was by doing exactly what the Bible said. Have faith, trust in the Lord, choose to repent from your sins, and accept Him as the gift of salvation. Mind me, I was a pretty scientific stubborn person. But to be fair on all my rules and contracts, I had to check All evidence, and that is the only convincing evidence that I found, unfortunately.
And that evidence showed me the ways to the other pieces of evidence which I didn't believe in earlier. A pretty mind-blowing experience.
It's the only thing I've found till date that works out for the people who truly choose to accept those weird words from God from the bottom of their heart of humility.
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
dbeleiu wrote:
@army paratrooper
The difference is the terms. One term should not be used to describe someone in that way. The word eternal in the context which it should be used in is not interchangeable with infinite.
The difference is the terms. One term should not be used to describe someone in that way. The word eternal in the context which it should be used in is not interchangeable with infinite.
Nonsense. Define both words.
Dictionary dot com
True brutha
Aug 16, 2019
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dbeleiu wrote:
Also @ ginger ninja
You mention that He let’s children died in agony. This is kinda a weird point given that He is not not giving them a choice and if you believe in the age of acceptance, which I do, then many of these children go to heaven
You mention that He let’s children died in agony. This is kinda a weird point given that He is not not giving them a choice and if you believe in the age of acceptance, which I do, then many of these children go to heaven
So it's worth what happened to these children because they get to go to heaven.
What about Elisabeth Fritzl? It is obvious that she will be traumatized about what happened to her, but that's ok because when she dies she'll be rewarded in heaven? What a sick world view! She still would go to heaven had god intervened provided she doesn't do anything bad for the remainder of her life but no. She has to go to heaven traumatized, again, assuming she doesn't do anything bad for the remainder of her life.
@mainframe
Aug 16, 2019
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dbeleiu wrote:
Because God can’t just forget sin without it being punished @ ginger ninja
He has punished Adam and Eve for doing something incredibly minor. Why do the rest of us deserve to be punished because of something they have done.
@ ginger ninja
First off, when we reach heaven the Bible makes it clear God takes away our sorrows and griefs, thus she would not be traumatized. Second you are still taking the minority and applying it to the majority which even history shows us is not a good idea
First off, when we reach heaven the Bible makes it clear God takes away our sorrows and griefs, thus she would not be traumatized. Second you are still taking the minority and applying it to the majority which even history shows us is not a good idea
gingerninja2003 wrote:
dbeleiu wrote:
Because God can’t just forget sin without it being punished @ ginger ninja
He has punished Adam and Eve for doing something incredibly minor. Why do the rest of us deserve to be punished because of something they have done.
1. What Adam and Eve did was NOT incredibly minor. They directly defied God's express command.
2. Everybody else in the world has also sinned, meriting God's wrath.
Sorry if this is too theological for this thread but...
If Jesus is god, then god sent himself (as Jesus) to die to appease himself so he would stop sending people to hell.
However he didn’t stop sending people to hell. If hell Was truly meant as a punishment for sin, wether you go there or not wouldn’t be decided by :
1. Your scientific beliefs (which may convince you to not believe in god, but which also may not)
2. Your parents religion and the religion you were brought up in.
It isn’t bad people go to hell and good go to heaven. It’s more about luck- were you brought up in a Christain family? Lucky! If you keep your faith You don’t burn for eternity.
Were you brought up in a Muslim family and despite hearing about some guy called Jesus never had any reason to change your beliefs as no evidence was shown to you that Christianity was correct and Islam incorrect? Bad luck! You will be tortured for a length of time your brain cannot even begin to imagine.
(This comment was maybe too religious talk for the thread as opposed to science so if anyone wants to continue this conversation feel free to pm me.)
If Jesus is god, then god sent himself (as Jesus) to die to appease himself so he would stop sending people to hell.
However he didn’t stop sending people to hell. If hell Was truly meant as a punishment for sin, wether you go there or not wouldn’t be decided by :
1. Your scientific beliefs (which may convince you to not believe in god, but which also may not)
2. Your parents religion and the religion you were brought up in.
It isn’t bad people go to hell and good go to heaven. It’s more about luck- were you brought up in a Christain family? Lucky! If you keep your faith You don’t burn for eternity.
Were you brought up in a Muslim family and despite hearing about some guy called Jesus never had any reason to change your beliefs as no evidence was shown to you that Christianity was correct and Islam incorrect? Bad luck! You will be tortured for a length of time your brain cannot even begin to imagine.
(This comment was maybe too religious talk for the thread as opposed to science so if anyone wants to continue this conversation feel free to pm me.)
Aug 16, 2019
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dbeleiu wrote:
By definition of believe you can choose to believe Spider-Man exists and believe he exists. It’s just that your believe does not make or break his existence
No. I can’t. That’s preposterous. If someone actually believes Spiderman exists the person is checked into a psych ward. They don’t first ascertain if the person is making a personal choice. You can’t “choose“ to believe Spiderman, or leprechauns, etc. exists and actually believe it. You can profess it, but you can’t truly believe it.
@ginger ninja
Because Adam and eves choice influenced their sons too and their sons all the way down to us. Cain sinned because of Adam and eves choice
Because Adam and eves choice influenced their sons too and their sons all the way down to us. Cain sinned because of Adam and eves choice
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
dbeleiu wrote:
By definition of believe you can choose to believe Spider-Man exists and believe he exists. It’s just that your believe does not make or break his existence
No. I can’t. That’s preposterous. If someone actually believes Spiderman exists the person is checked into a psych ward. They don’t first ascertain if the person is making a personal choice. You can’t “choose“ to believe Spiderman, or leprechauns, etc. exists and actually believe it. You can profess it, but you can’t truly believe it.
@dbeleiu is right
VicountVonJames wrote:
Sorry if this is too theological for this thread but...
If Jesus is god, then god sent himself (as Jesus) to die to appease himself so he would stop sending people to hell.
However he didn’t stop sending people to hell. If hell Was truly meant as a punishment for sin, wether you go there or not wouldn’t be decided by :
1. Your scientific beliefs (which may convince you to not believe in god, but which also may not)
2. Your parents religion and the religion you were brought up in.
It isn’t bad people go to hell and good go to heaven. It’s more about luck- were you brought up in a Christain family? Lucky! If you keep your faith You don’t burn for eternity.
Were you brought up in a Muslim family and despite hearing about some guy called Jesus never had any reason to change your beliefs as no evidence was shown to you that Christianity was correct and Islam incorrect? Bad luck! You will be tortured for a length of time your brain cannot even begin to imagine.
(This comment was maybe too religious talk for the thread as opposed to science so if anyone wants to continue this conversation feel free to pm me.)
If Jesus is god, then god sent himself (as Jesus) to die to appease himself so he would stop sending people to hell.
However he didn’t stop sending people to hell. If hell Was truly meant as a punishment for sin, wether you go there or not wouldn’t be decided by :
1. Your scientific beliefs (which may convince you to not believe in god, but which also may not)
2. Your parents religion and the religion you were brought up in.
It isn’t bad people go to hell and good go to heaven. It’s more about luck- were you brought up in a Christain family? Lucky! If you keep your faith You don’t burn for eternity.
Were you brought up in a Muslim family and despite hearing about some guy called Jesus never had any reason to change your beliefs as no evidence was shown to you that Christianity was correct and Islam incorrect? Bad luck! You will be tortured for a length of time your brain cannot even begin to imagine.
(This comment was maybe too religious talk for the thread as opposed to science so if anyone wants to continue this conversation feel free to pm me.)
um, this was an awful representation of Christianity. If you're going to talk in here please have at least some inkling of what you're talking about.
@viscount
Again people keep saying God died to appease Himself. Jesus died so that God could keep His word and give someone all the punishment for all sin AND give us the option to have life after death in paradise
Again people keep saying God died to appease Himself. Jesus died so that God could keep His word and give someone all the punishment for all sin AND give us the option to have life after death in paradise
Aug 16, 2019
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jaredjm wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
dbeleiu wrote:
By definition of believe you can choose to believe Spider-Man exists and believe he exists. It’s just that your believe does not make or break his existence
No. I can’t. That’s preposterous. If someone actually believes Spiderman exists the person is checked into a psych ward. They don’t first ascertain if the person is making a personal choice. You can’t “choose“ to believe Spiderman, or leprechauns, etc. exists and actually believe it. You can profess it, but you can’t truly believe it.
@dbeleiu is right
Cool! So you are on record as publicly announcing you can choose to believe that you can fly, and you will ACTUALLY believe it? Bullpoo
Aug 16, 2019
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#220
dbeleiu wrote:
@ ginger ninja
First off, when we reach heaven the Bible makes it clear God takes away our sorrows and griefs, thus she would not be traumatized. Second you are still taking the minority and applying it to the majority which even history shows us is not a good idea
First off, when we reach heaven the Bible makes it clear God takes away our sorrows and griefs, thus she would not be traumatized. Second you are still taking the minority and applying it to the majority which even history shows us is not a good idea
So that means god will change what's in Elisabeth Fritzl's head which is surely breaking his rules around free will. Regardless that still doesn't change the fact her life was hell for 24 years, it doesn't matter if it will be ok in the end, as she probably isn't ok now.
I might, from your previous metaphor, choose not to believe Sacramento is the capital of California despite your evidence. Does that make Sacramento not the capital of California??