If god said so is a justification for anything then every single evil can be moral if god orders it.
Yup.
Sin is against God, that's why it's wrong. If God says to do it, it's not a sin against him, and therefore it's not wrong.
How can something be a sin against God if God said to do it?
A good point. Especially if it is a test, and God does not actually want you to to do it.
what about when god does it himself?
Are you talking about God judging people? As the ruler of the universe, he has the right to do that.
Suit yourself.. don’t read what can help you recognize what you’re going on about, but why?
Suit yourself.. don’t read what can help you recognize what you’re going on about, but why?
What did you want me to read? Just post it here.
[This is not a promise to read a book just because you ask me to.]
Just goto #575 post.
Just goto #575 post.
The post about aliens? That was interesting. It just wasn't on topic about Abraham and child sacrifice.
Right i'm back, because the boxing finished sooner than expected.
In short let's assume God created everything and all that. It doesn't logically follow that just because god created everything, means that everything he does is moral. Being a celestial dictator doesn't give him a monopoly on morality.
@ gingerninja2003
Had you read post 575 you’d see I was showing how two accounts in the Scriptures was due the conflicting deceiver, satan, the false foundation we in Isaiah 2:22 orig. only KJV have been told to cease such claims, and one of the two is Abram, name changed to Abraham.
Both accounts satan was deceiving, claiming he to be God.
Right i'm back, because the boxing finished sooner than expected.
In short let's assume God created everything and all that. It doesn't logically follow that just because god created everything, means that everything he does is moral. Being a celestial dictator doesn't give him a monopoly on morality.
It does. Especially since He is the ONLY God over this universe. His moral compass is built into everyone. In fact, it's why you and I even have moral feelings in the first place.
[This is not on topic, but if I don't say it, someone will bring it up: Some people just choose to ignore the compass. That's why we have a legal system and jails.]
Right i'm back, because the boxing finished sooner than expected.
In short let's assume God created everything and all that. It doesn't logically follow that just because god created everything, means that everything he does is moral. Being a celestial dictator doesn't give him a monopoly on morality.
It does. Especially since He is the ONLY God over this universe. His moral compass is built into everyone. In fact, it's why you and I even have moral feelings in the first place.
[This is not on topic, but if I don't say it, someone will bring it up: Some people just choose to ignore the compass. That's why we have a legal system and jails.]
No it doesn't if god decided that murder should be moral then that wouldn't make it moral. Your basically saying that because god has super powers he is automatically a moral person. How do you know that when god created the world he thought 'oh i'm gonna have some fun here, let's make some of these people's lives misery.' If he did think that, then he would be an immoral deity.
How can something be a sin against God if God said to do it?
A good point. Especially if it is a test, and God does not actually want you to to do it.
what about when god does it himself?
Are you talking about God judging people? As the ruler of the universe, he has the right to do that.
no, I'm talking about god murdering people. ordering others to kill. ordering genocide. raping mary. etc. etc. etc.
that's A LOT of murdering
That was in the OT law, and doesn't apply at all today
That was in the OT law, and doesn't apply at all today
And shouldn't apply then. Time has no relationship with what's moral and what isn't.
That was in the OT law, and doesn't apply at all today
And shouldn't apply then. Time has no relationship with what's moral and what isn't.
It applied then because God commanded them. They were to take the Sabbath as a day of rest to honor the Lord their God, and anyone who didn't do that was directly disobeying God's express command.
Just because evil exists, doesn't mean that god has to create a world with evil and suffering in it.
The Very First Chapter Of Genesis had not whatsoever an iota of anything that would oppose HIS Very Goodness He Only Created, not even a garden of eden referenced, with it’s pathetic tree of opposing knowledge of Such Goodness. That begins the following chapter at verse six with another form of creation, a false foundation that Isaiah 2:22 says to cease from. I say to HELL with evil. [That is correct. Evil that insists on remaining evil will go to hell. The Bible establishes this pretty clearly.] On An Eternal Note.
This says it all, and should thoroughly be checked out and recognized.
The ‘confliction’ is the 2nd chapter’s foundation and that goes for the deception of Abram’s story as well the claim that God, who’s not the Author of confusion [Technically, He created, as a God of creation, more languages. However, confusion is NOT evil. Confusion is human. Kinda like how I don't understand all of what you are trying to say in these 2 posts, so I'm just responding to what I do understand.] confused civilization in one day by changing their language, when satan the deceiver easily could’ve by distributing his agents in their UFOs throughout Earth like Independence Day and simply alter everyone’s language, being they know zillions of different species alien [Let's just ignore aliens for now, because the debate doesn't need them in here yet. Besides, you think there may be aliens because you believe in macroevolution. I know there are no aliens because I believe in creation.] origin with many different languages, nothing but confliction, confusion, strife, our wars, our not getting along with our fellow brethren [This is no longer the case (if it ever was one-the confusion of languages caused people to move into different parts of the world, and not start killing each other immediately {see the story of the tower of Babel}), since language issues are pretty much over for the major countries of the world. We can all understand each other's languages pretty easily now, and languages were not the cause of the last 2 major wars - the world wars.] confusion.
That was in the OT law, and doesn't apply at all today
And shouldn't apply then. Time has no relationship with what's moral and what isn't.
It applied then because God commanded them. They were to take the Sabbath as a day of rest to honor the Lord their God, and anyone who didn't do that was directly disobeying God's express command.
Why does god care what days off people take?
How can something be a sin against God if God said to do it?
A good point. Especially if it is a test, and God does not actually want you to to do it.
what about when god does it himself?
Are you talking about God judging people? As the ruler of the universe, he has the right to do that.
no, I'm talking about god murdering people. ordering others to kill. ordering genocide. raping mary. etc. etc. etc.
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If god said so is a justification for anything then every single evil can be moral if god orders it.
And then negates it before you do it.