Exactly, another reason you shouldn’t be forced to.
Ermm, no...this is a reason why you should not be overly concerned about long term effects unless there's some specific reason to be worried. The peanut butter you eat with trans fats also has long term side effects, but you eat it anyway 
. It's actually not that easy to make a compound that will do long term serious harm to the human body without showing any detectable indications along the way...
In another forum - there was (and is) somebody who ran to the moderators - objecting to use of words like 'somebody' and 'he'.
It was a power play - an attempt to demonstrate that he could get the use of common words and pronouns Vetoed.
Fortunately - the moderators didn't fall for it.
In this forum - is the common english word 'tactics' to be 'vetoed'?
I don't think so. But that's up to the opening poster.
If I wanted to - I could claim 'that's subjective' is uncivil or 'hostility'.
I could 'play victim' ? Anybody could.
But I'll refrain. Such claims would be pathetic. Disgusting.
Like fear of needles. Grown men fearing vaccination.
Instead I'm suggesting that 'that's subjective' is a kind of 'serving of notice'. It is 'tactics' too.
And its 'civil' to say so. And to expose it.
It is not 'uncivil' and it is not 'hostility' to so expose.
But its up to the opening poster.
Frankly I don't even think its an administrative issue - or shouldn't be.
But whoever can always make it one and appeal to the person running the forum claiming 'hostility'.
Has already done so before. 'Serving notice'. 'Demonstration'.
'That's subjective' in response to 'vaccinations work' isn't just a tactic.
Its spam. Or - a threat of spam.
Exactly, another reason you shouldn’t be forced to.
Ermm, no...this is a reason why you should not be overly concerned about long term effects unless there's some specific reason to be worried. The peanut butter you eat with trans fats also has long term side effects, but you eat it anyway . It's actually not that easy to make a compound that will do long term serious harm to the human body without showing any detectable indications along the way...
always well put. Efficiently so.
Why would people try so hard to discredit Covid vaccination ?
Could be because Covid is such a big big thing - that they can get much power and attention by doing so.
Generally speaking - Power is used. And used soon. In human affairs.
And - opportunities to Get power are taken. Too. As opposed to declined.
Exactly, another reason you shouldn’t be forced to.
Ermm, no...this is a reason why you should not be overly concerned about long term effects unless there's some specific reason to be worried. The peanut butter you eat with trans fats also has long term side effects, but you eat it anyway . It's actually not that easy to make a compound that will do long term serious harm to the human body without showing any detectable indications along the way...
Other than the large amount of myocarditis cases in young men specifically, and rumours of infertility in girls (although this one, I agree, can have no confirmation till a later time). And if someone doesn’t want to risk something that may or may not exist, that is their right as a human being. Some people will respond saying “it’s not their right if they’re indirectly killing people” and I would say that if grandma is worried about getting sick, then you don’t go see grandma. Although every single senior citizen I’ve talked to thinks all the lockdowns, mask mandates and vaccine passports are stupid.
Pretty much the only people that are “high-risk” are old people, people with lung conditions, and diabetics. But now that they’re vaccinated with a highly effective vaccine, this should no longer be an issue
'every single senior citizen' ...
I wonder if any of them lost a family member to Covid.
When something hits Home - it has a way of getting the Attention.
Many people who've been against vaccination -
have died in hospital of Covid - while begging to be vaccinated ...
after its too late.
This is well known. If only they had thought about it ...
Having said this - I don't think such persons are to be ridiculed.
Some people have done such ridiculing. Its cruel to do so.
But it shouldn't be glossed over either.
'every single senior citizen' ...
I wonder if any of them lost a family member to Covid.
When something hits Home - it has a way of getting the Attention.
Many people who've advocated against vaccination -
have died in hospital of Covid - while begging to be vaccinated ...
after its too late.
This is well known. If only they had thought about it ...
*shrugs* that was their choice, you didn’t make them same no, don’t make them say yes
Again - if only they had thought about it - instead of being manipulated by the disinformation people.
And as for 'making them do something' if that's to be blamed on someone that would be the Disinfo people.
And since they're dead or doomed - it would be too late to try to righteously discuss with them why and how the Disinfo is Disinfo.
Its much easier for somebody to indoctrinate somebody else - than it is for whoever to be Un-indoctrinated. Unlikely. Intensely difficult.
Apparently it was possible with the Moonies. Deprogramming. (SunYungMoon stuff). I don't know how that deprogramming worked.
Its the only instance I can remember of a successful method of how deep indoctrination might be reversed.
Yes it could be googled.
Again - if only they had thought about it - instead of being manipulated by the disinformation people.
And as for 'making them do something' if that's to be blamed on someone that would be the Disinfo people.
And since they're dead - it would be too late to try to righteously discuss with them why and how the Disinfo is Disinfo.
Lots of people aren’t getting it simply because people are trying to make them, I know people who refuse to get it because they’re tired of all the manipulation to get it.
Nobody is forced to be vaccinated. That is a false narrative. If you don't want to be vaccinated and still work in a certain career/sector...then you might have a problem.
Again - if only they had thought about it - instead of being manipulated by the disinformation people.
And as for 'making them do something' if that's to be blamed on someone that would be the Disinfo people.
And since they're dead - it would be too late to try to righteously discuss with them why and how the Disinfo is Disinfo.
Lots of people aren’t getting it simply because people are trying to make them, I know people who refuse to get it because they’re tired of all the manipulation to get it.
That's one of the reasons why over 210 of the over 220 countries in the world have not made vaccination mandatory throughout that big majority of countries.
Nobody is forced to be vaccinated. That is a false narrative. If you don't want to be vaccinated and still work in a certain career/sector...then you might have a problem.
Saying “get vaccinated or get fired” is manipulation, and is essentially the same thing
Lots of people aren’t getting it simply because people are trying to make them, I know people who refuse to get it because they’re tired of all the manipulation to get it.
That's a morally bankrupt position to take.
Again - if only they had thought about it - instead of being manipulated by the disinformation people.
And as for 'making them do something' if that's to be blamed on someone that would be the Disinfo people.
And since they're dead - it would be too late to try to righteously discuss with them why and how the Disinfo is Disinfo.
Lots of people aren’t getting it simply because people are trying to make them, I know people who refuse to get it because they’re tired of all the manipulation to get it.
That's one of the reasons why over 210 of the over 220 countries in the world have not made vaccination mandatory throughout that big majority of countries.
But they continue to make sure those people are locked in their homes… sounds like freedom to me
Lots of people aren’t getting it simply because people are trying to make them, I know people who refuse to get it because they’re tired of all the manipulation to get it.
That's a morally bankrupt position to take.
If a someone is allowed to fight for abortion, anyone else should also be able to fight vaccination
I’m not against the vaccinations whatsoever, I’m only against mandating people who don’t have it. In fact, if you chose to get vaccinated I support you 100%
Lots of people aren’t getting it simply because people are trying to make them, I know people who refuse to get it because they’re tired of all the manipulation to get it.
That's a morally bankrupt position to take.
They’re also not scared of the virus obviously, and it is their right
Nobody is forced to be vaccinated. That is a false narrative. If you don't want to be vaccinated and still work in a certain career/sector...then you might have a problem.
Saying “get vaccinated or get fired” is manipulation, and is essentially the same thing
I assume you don't pay your taxes. Or obey traffic signals. Or buy car insurance. Or keep your money in a bank. Or wait in line at grocery stores. Or...you get the idea...
Nobody is forced to be vaccinated. That is a false narrative. If you don't want to be vaccinated and still work in a certain career/sector...then you might have a problem.
Saying “get vaccinated or get fired” is manipulation, and is essentially the same thing
I assume you don't pay your taxes. Or obey traffic signals. Or buy car insurance. Or keep your money in a bank. Or wait in line at grocery stores. Or...you get the idea...
I do all those things, and now you’re attacking the person and not the argument, which is the weakest thing a debater can do
Could anybody hope to convey a realistic answer about any Covid subject to anyone who reacts to 'vaccinations work' with 'that's subjective' ... ?
Fortunately - there are lots of people potentially reading this forum.
So I would say - that when people talk about vaccinations and other measures working - and the massive lopsided statistics and many other indications showing that measures against Covid work -
that such talk might be communicative to all of those who are not reacting with 'that's subjective'.
But to those who are so reacting - any chance of communication with them would be slim or none. Except in cases where they openly withdraw from such positions - and concede that vaccinations work and that there is much objective evidence of same.
There's something called 'solipsism'.
It refers to a behaviour whereby nothing can be proven to an individual. In some cases not even by himself to himself.
He or she often only will concede that his/her mind exists.
But solipsism doesn't appear to be a pathological condition.
It is more like a strategy or tactical thing.
Something that is chosen.
Its employed temporarily.
Daring anybody to prove anything to him - knowing that he can and will reject all proof or logic.
It could be considered briefly - as a kind of 'attention' - the massive implications of the 'that's subjective' reaction.
It could begin to mean that such persons doubt the work of Louis Pasteur.
That they don't understand that vaccines have been around for a long time.
They want to believe that vaccines are 'fake'?
There are those who even believe that 'viruses can't spread diseases'.
But rather than try to talk to such persons - it could and would be more useful to discuss their behaviour.
And who they are.
Regarding the world leaders of the Covid disinformation campaign ...
If Joseph Mercola was here right now in this forum and anybody tried to talk to him or reason with him that 'vaccinations work' - would he or she 'get anywhere' with Mercola ?
I would say No. I would say that whoever would waste effort.
But that wouldn't mean we couldn't talk about Mercola and his behaviours right out in front of him.
In theory - if Mercola type behaviour didn't exist - and 'that's subjective' policy and so on - then Covid would have been beaten a long time ago. The pandemic might have died out sometime last year.
Possibility: That the pandemic has endured strictly because of the behaviour of people undermining the fight against it - or being passive to that fight.