Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

Or disagree to agree.
It is not for others to decide for anyone what they are to agree on.

And if anyone decides they don't care about the fight against Covid then why would any concept enter their minds as to them being 'scum'?

And I know I've said this before but:
Hi Bill !!

Hi player!! My whole name is William Frank Samuel Swan. My friends call me Sam. Feel free to call me friend, Bill, Sam or whatever I don't care as long as we are friends.

Hi again  !
For some reason I kept remembering it as Bill !
My Bad !  
I'll have to 'un-indoctrinate' myself of 'Bill'.
Sam ! is the character in US Marshalls.  And The Fugitive.  

and this is from today's
 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/





I was never very good at screenshots.
The second screenshot down is of the same thing - but Zoomed in on a bit.
The US is on the verge of one million Covid deaths.  And 3000 Covid deaths per million of its population. 
They're going to hit maybe even on the same day.
Compared with 783 per million for the whole world.
Which is visible in the screenshots.
The world is doing about four times as well as USA on fighting Covid.
And a lot of the countries have much much less money than the US has.  Including average per capita.

Let's get back on topic.  Patrick Henry and Cher can invade some other thread ...

I’ve unfortunately had people treat people I know has lesser because they’re not vaccinated. That’s what I meant by “people who think I’m scum.” It was unfair of me to assume that that is your view though 

And on this “It is not for others to decide for anyone what they are to agree on.” I’m not trying to force you to agree, I was just pleasantly trying to say that I’m not going to argue any more. The whole point of argument is to try to convince the other person that your view is correct, and so that they can understand where you’re coming from. We’re obviously not going to be changing each other’s minds, so arguing further would be futile.

Quoting so the text can be read.

And something on a news site today that I"ve been wondering about for most of the pandemic.
In addition to testing for Covid - testing for Covid antibodies.
When I first thought about it - "hey why aren't they doing that?"
The answers I came up with were just guesses though ...
Anyway - here it is:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/22/health/measuring-immunity-correlates-of-protection/index.html

And now its happened.
The USA has gone over one million Covid deaths.
Today.
From https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/



Next week - the USA will likely go over 3000 Covid deaths per million.  Too.

475 millions cases worldwide, and over 80 million in the US.

"The whole point of argument is to try to convince the other person that your view is correct,"
WEll I definitely don't and won't agree with that first 'the' there.
Instead - I'll say that's not for somebody to decide for somebody else.
And there could be many 'points of argument' too.
If the sentiment is that one won't convince somebody of something that's invalid in the first place - could I 'agree' on that?
Again - no. 
People like Mercola could maybe get a lot of people to believe that time is green.

And - update on deaths per million in the USA:
It now looks like it'll hit 3000 this week - not next week.
Because its now up to 2998 Covid deaths per million of US population.

   I got my 1st Shingles shot earlier this week at the V.A.  Unbeknowst to my memory, the nurse was looking in the computer and said,  "you received your 1st shingles shot 2 yrs ago.   .....and 2 weeks later Covid shut down the entire country. I didn't follow up, and neither did they. 

Good to hear, you don't want shingles.  My mom had it, and it can have permanent consequences.

It's stated those at higher latitudes have a rougher deal from the wuhan virus. Apparently becomes noticeable within stats at more than 26° latitude, the UK around 50°, vitamin d deficiency, lack of sunlight.

Regarding higher latitudes and China and Wuhan -
there's a neat fact about Chinese geography ...
The Yangtze river (world's third longest) bisects China into like North and South.  A lot of the big cities like Wuhan and Shanghai are on that river.
The climate's different on either side.
Connection with Covid? Very possibly. 
Cold/hot and temperature/climate factors seem to impact the spread of the disease.

https://www.francesoir.fr/videos-les-debriefings/debriefing-de-christine-cotton-expertise-des-resultats-des-essais-des-4

"debriefing with biostatistician Christine Cotton - with over 500 studies in the pharmaceutical industry and clinical trials, Christine is a specialist in clinical trials. From the establishment of the protocol to the analysis of the data, she has worked for the largest laboratories AstraZeneca, J&J, Roche as well as smaller ones.

With her background as an unparalleled analyst, she goes into detail about vaccines against the coronavirus. Everything goes there, from the study protocols to the results by analyzing the possible biases in the studies. From confidence intervals with samples with 0 or few patients to statistically unproven results on severe cases or older people, a comprehensive review in simple, understandable terms.

To her surprise, these results were approved by the FDA (Food and Drug administration) and the EMA (European Medicines Agency) – for her, usually:

"with results like this, it's return to sender".

She also regrets that government agencies did not take more time to read these results as well as doctors.

Why get vaccinated with a disease with a mortality rate of 0.11% and an incidence rate of 0.25% to date. Knowing that that of the flu is 5 to 10% in the general population.

Nor have the trials been carried out on Europeans or some of the populations studied had proportions of comorbidities much higher than those observed in the general population, for example obesity for the Pfizer vaccine with 35% of obese patients against 17% in France"

Relying on single person accounts and expertise, then dismissing the consensus of the much larger group of individuals that don't agree, seems like confirmation bias.

As for the vaccination question...well, the mortality rate was 3% sometime before the vaccines...this point seems like you are saying that since the vaccines work so well at preventing fatalities, we don't need them anymore .

Please clarify what you are defining as incidence rate, and link your source if you have one.

The question of flu vs. Covid is easy.  Covid is new, and more deadly.  Later variants will dilute, much like Omicron, becoming more transmissible, but less deadly.  Viruses evolve to survive...so viruses mutate over time to spread more efficiently and not kill their hosts.  In that sense, Covid-19 is a "failed" virus compared to the flu strains.

If mRNA vaccines had existed when the first flu strains were emerging, then that 5% to 10% you are talking about might not even exist.