Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

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Sillver1
Elroch wrote:
Sillver1 wrote: determinism is not wrong, just unwise.’ 

Firstly, I recall saying "very unwise".

It is not wrong in the same sense that it is not wrong to hypothesise that invisible fairies move all the particles in the Universe, perfectly emulating the results that are predicted using the laws of physics, including QM and GR.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine how wise it would be to believe that hypothesis.

lol. and i’ll leave you and your knockout thread (as in business jargon) in peace.. for now happy.png

paper_llama
Elroch wrote:

TRY to be more precise and objective. A good start would be to actually take note of what Scarani says, for example after 32:18 in the video where Scarani says that he "obviously" does not want to save determinism! Clear enough?

If you prefer a printed source, in Scarani's own authoritative words, "Bell nonlocality is not merely an instrument for a negative task (falsifying determinism)". If it needs emphasising, this means he takes it for granted that Bell nonlocality falsifies determinism (with its usual meaning in our Universe, of course) and goes on to more interesting consequences.

At the very end someone is asking about how gravity doesn't come from where a planet was, but where it is? What is this? I haven't heard of this infinite speed of gravity thing.

Elroch

I didn't give that any credence. It doesn't make any sense to me.

  1. Einstein's theory predicts that gravity only permits the propagation of information at the speed of light
  2. It is empirically confirmed to high accuracy that gravitational waves move at the speed of light

I believe you can think of any change in gravity as being propagated as waves (although the fact that it is the manifold itself changing complicates the theory).

paper_llama
Elroch wrote:

I didn't give that any credence. It doesn't make any sense to me.

  1. Einstein's theory predicts that gravity only permits the propagation of information at the speed of light
  2. It is empirically confirmed to high accuracy that gravitational waves move at the speed of light

I believe you can think of any change in gravity as being propagated as waves (although the fact that it is the manifold itself changing complicates the theory).

I didn't think it was even a consideration, that gravity waves may not propagate at the speed of light. I mean, we've even detected gravity waves so... I have no idea what that guy was asking about, but the speaker didn't seem to call him a crackpot so... just asking.

noodles2112

we are all traveling 186,000 miles per second.

attempt to disprove at own perilwink.png

Elroch
paper_llama wrote:
Elroch wrote:

I didn't give that any credence. It doesn't make any sense to me.

  1. Einstein's theory predicts that gravity only permits the propagation of information at the speed of light
  2. It is empirically confirmed to high accuracy that gravitational waves move at the speed of light

I believe you can think of any change in gravity as being propagated as waves (although the fact that it is the manifold itself changing complicates the theory).

I didn't think it was even a consideration, that gravity waves may not propagate at the speed of light. I mean, we've even detected gravity waves so... I have no idea what that guy was asking about, but the speaker didn't seem to call him a crackpot so... just asking.

Speakers would generally not do that - it's not like an Internet forum. happy.png There's quite an art in taking nonsense that someone says, twisting into into something sensible and responding as such. I should acquire it sometime.

LettuceSink
DiogenesDue wrote:

If someone believes in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, I am not going to spend time discussing it with them.

WAIT! What do you mean believes in? Are you possibly implying that maybe... THEY ARE NOT REAL?????

LettuceSink
LettuceSink wrote:
DiogenesDue wrote:

If someone believes in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, I am not going to spend time discussing it with them.

WAIT! What do you mean "believes in"? Are you possibly implying that maybe... THEY ARE NOT REAL?????

Nek0Fox
LettuceSink wrote:
LettuceSink wrote:
DiogenesDue wrote:

If someone believes in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, I am not going to spend time discussing it with them.

WAIT! What do you mean "believes in"? Are you possibly implying that maybe... THEY ARE NOT REAL?????

of course Santa is real I wrote him before Christmas and he gave me the present I wanted

LettuceSink

yeah thought i hit edit on the top but i was quoting...

Elroch

That was a bit random, to be honest.

noodles2112

Elon posted Space-X for sale because he could not get through the firmamentwink.png

Melmothy

Yes

noodles2112

What the heck Melmothy!

what is this here?

I could not have been the last to post back in July 1, 2023 could I?

noodles2112

Why isn't Elroch posting here ?

His forum thread is it not?

noodles2112

long time no see Opthappy.png

Melmothy

Wait...and he will come

Then again because I just said that..he might not ?!

Nice Langian double bind for you there Elrocco happy.png

noodles2112

maybe Elroch did his research and is now a Flat earther wink.png

Meairal

...

noodles2112

how are you Opt? I am still noodles on his quest exposing lies/deceptions happy.png