Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

Festerthetester - if satellites could zoom in from outer space and show things on earth like you believe then why doesn't NASA put the controversy to rest by showing satellites in outer space or video of one of their rockets from launch to docking at the ISS uncut/unedited? There are many more things NASA could do to put the whole controversy to rest but they don't... because they can't. 

Why not try and use some critical thinking/logic of your own some time? 

Optimmissed - what do you mean blocked? Who blocked Elrochs thread?

You are assuming that the moon is a rotating sunlight reflecting rock ball. When it is not. It is semi-translucent. Stars have been seen through it. So it certainly not a rotating rock ball as NASA would have you believe as well as them playing golf on the moon to mock the masses. 

Religion. You mean by stating what the bible says concerning the earth? What if I posted excerpts  from the Babylonian Talmud or the Kabbalah, would that be alright 

For that is where Newton got his theory of gravity.

Heliocentrism is a religion. Did you not know that? Certainly it can be discussed. 

Did you not know that it is called the theory of gravity because it has never been proven? Even Newton stated the theory could never be proven. However, it is super simple to disprove it. 

I prefer the older Floyd. Obscured by Clouds, Meddle

Most religions preach heliocentrism. Heliocentrism is the most popular religion on the face of the earth. 

I am not talking religion except the religion of heliocentrism.

Elroch and I go way back. We debated in Open Discussion years ago. They do not like me there at all. Received a few death threats back then and countless verbal abuse. Many do not like to be told how the magicians performs their tricks.

The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim. 

Wow! The Beatles. Good grief! Guess he was too busy with Lucy in the sky with diamonds

@noodles, I am very surprised you would have received "death threats". I don't recall even a complaint about this (which would merit strong action).

Elroch - That was way back when I was a member of OD the first time. 

Right, well before when I was convinced to become an admin. It used to be appalling when the attitude was that there were no limits on communication. It is very different these days (and very little action needs to be taken to keep it so, amazingly!)

Does True Randomness Actually Exist?
IMHO
Randomness is the unidentified pattern of some form of energy / matter.
Identification of patterns has already been succeeded observing the whole universe.
Pi 3,14..., Phi 1.618039..., Planck's constant, gravitational forces, tides, you name it.
Randomness exists in the eyes of those who do not possess identification of patterns.
Nash obsserved this with flock of pigeons, Poincare understood (with the butterfly
effect) that we may know all the variables but it is highly unlikely to correctly
make mathematical models. Yet chaos is a very precise and complex to compute.
It is for the reason of complexity to the accuracy of human computations and
NOT unpredictability that chaos, randomness does not exist yet all variables are
hard to compute to legible patterns to the eyes/mind of the common observer.
So true randomness does not exist, as all energy behaves in specific models
which either have not yet been discovered or have been discovered and are
difficult to compute due to the number of variables existing and not recognized yet.

Perhaps you are forgetting that quantum mechanics involves the sort of randomness that can never be removed, and that everything is made of quantum mechanics, so to speak!

Well, I doubt I will ever be back in OD! 

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Perhaps you are forgetting that quantum mechanics involves the sort of randomness that can never be removed, and that everything is made of quantum mechanics, so to speak!
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In quantum mechanics the coin is flipped in both sides, in quantum computing qbits are both 0 and 1 at the same time. These are given positions not of the unpredictability of their positions but for their precise function of their dualistic properties. Even when speaking for the dead cat in the box as a thought experiment the cat is both alive and dead but the problem persists to be stedifast dualistic even at the double slit experiment, where the particles react as waves or
particles depending on the observing status after the slit. This we know as a fact and it is
not something random, although it is a paradox of our todays mathematical models.
For practical scientists who have not yet found the models this is called superdeterminism.
YET it is given as a theory from other scientists like Hossenfelder.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2010.01324

Sounds fairly contradictory to me.

Well, on the one hand you say "to the best of our knowledge".  On the other you say it's real.  By your own admission you cannot claim it's real.

Randomness cannot be either proven or disproven.  You can't claim " the simple explanation, which cannot be refuted, is that randomness is real."