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Explanation does not equate Observation -

Why should a pseudoscientist be trusted AG1 ?

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noodles2112 wrote:

Explanation does not equate Observation -

Why should a pseudoscientist be trusted AG1 ?

Why would pretty much every single scientist be pseudoscientific? Why would entire disciplines with tens of thousands of scientists be inventing fake laws that work in real life?

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money -

pseudoscientists are very different from scientists , in that, they exclude the scientific method.

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Waiting for noodles to point us to a "reliable" source of information regarding the structure of our solar system.

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we all pretty much know about the "heliocentric solar system" OTEH18 -

its been engrained into our brain since birth wink.png

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It's like you're not making a point because you realize how weak your argument is. Basically just saying everything you're hearing is untrue without giving any strong counter examples. I can't tell if you're a flat earther or not or what

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So if you say it's all mediocre pseudoscience, prove it wrong then. Show us reliable sources of observation and math. Show us a reason to doubt. All I'm seeing is science denial dog whistles from you.

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my argument is that the earth is stationary -

can you prove otherwise ?

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Show me YOUR math that proves this

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it is sensible & observable -

heliocentrism is nonsensible & unobservable - that is where "theoretical physics/math" comes into play.

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noodles2112 wrote:

money -

pseudoscientists are very different from scientists , in that, they exclude the scientific method.

Noodles, there is no way you can prove people lied about the literal state of the earth for money. You can’t even prove that there was money offered, let alone accepted.

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it is sensible & observable -

heliocentrism is nonsensible & unobservable - that is where "theoretical physics/math" comes into play.

How exactly is it sensible and unobservable? I’ll need your entire argument as to why the earth doesn’t orbit the sun. What exactly do you believe, and why?

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So basically "trust me bro I can see it". Elroch was right, you have a learning disability. I'm done trying

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teachers teach whatever they are told to teach - like a kindergarten teacher showing a toy globe to their students and telling them "That/This is where you live" - obviously believes it - so I would not say they are lying by commission !

if they deviate they risk losing their jobs/careers & livelihoods -

people work for organizations and must do what they are told or risk loosing the same thing.

some pseudoscientists don't lie and will admit they exclude the scientific method e.g. very famous theoretical physicist Michio Kaku

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you either trust your own senses OTEH18 - or you allow others to do it for you.

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noodles2112 wrote:

teachers teach whatever they are told to teach - like a kindergarten teacher showing a toy globe to their students and telling them "That/This is where you live" - obviously believes it - so I would not say they are lying by commission !

if they deviate they risk losing their jobs/careers & livelihoods -

people work for organizations and must do what they are told or risk loosing the same thing.

some pseudoscientists don't lie and will admit they exclude the scientific method . very famous theoretical physicist Michio Kaku

How exactly does money factor in this, then? Why would you pay someone to put “the earth orbits the sun” in a textbook. Looking up Michio Kaku, I can’t see why he’d be a pseudoscientist. He’s a professor of theoretical physics.

And, to summarise, the people that were “deluded” into believing the Earth orbits the sun believe it themselves and teach that? What about the generation immediately after the last one that wasn’t deluded?

And I still haven’t been told what exactly you believe.

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There is a decent 2022 documentary that goes into the origins of heliocentrism -

called Heliosorcery. - If you have an hour or two - I'd start there .

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My senses tell me that the phone I'm typing on is bigger than the sun.

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Hey noodles I'm going to make the argument that my phone ACTUALLY IS bigger than the sun. Prove me wrong

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3417 THERE IT IS THE SOURCE 🤣

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