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noodles2112

There are far too many contradictions within heliocentric theories for it to be believable. Most people believe it because they were told to believe it and never questioning it for their entire lives.......for it was never meant to be questioned.......just believed. 

That is why there is a toy globe in every classroom, store, theater etc. etc. etc. 

We are bombarded with the ball everywhere we lookhappy.png 

1BadBluePenguine
Elroch wrote:
noodles2112 wrote:

 

One does not observe a rotating moon in perfect sync with a rotating earth so one side of the moon is only visible forevermore.

This is true. Rather, due to the fact that the Moon's orbit is not circular, one observes a Moon that twists significantly from side to side as it rotates. The reason is simple - the rotation of the Moon about its axis is constant while the angular speed of the Moon around the Earth varies quite a lot depending on its varying distance.

They imagine it to be.

No. "They" do not. You do. "They" are better informed and understand what I have explained because it has been observed.

Here is an animated gif whose frames are simply photos of the Moon. The effect of the non-circular orbit is clear.

I will be amused to hear a flat Earther explanation of these direct observations!

 

OMG man its just prejection byt aliens it not tgha truth you beliuve what those isiot guys say??dude th earth is srsly flat and you know what the whole solar system is flat! and if you just knew the tryuth and feel like jumping off a cliff just dont forghet that he cliff is also flat..Just dont belive uin this BALL theory ahaa actually all the balls are flat too yk

noodles2112

The theory of Gravity just like heliocentric theory have NEVER been proven. 

They are merely accepted theories that have been shoved down our throats since birth. wink.png

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

they say u cant prove s/t is random...tho u can quantify it. i kinda gettit...kinda.

but then if u cant prove it ?...how do u know its there ? see ?...lol !

Elroch
noodles2112 wrote:

The theory of Gravity just like heliocentric theory have NEVER been proven.

The scientific method merely requires that every single time it is tested it is successful. That is the current status, and there is no factual basis for disagreeing with it.

They are merely accepted theories that have been shoved down our throats since birth.

No. To someone unable to follow the scientific reasoning and who was too arrogant to understand the significance of their own incompetence that would appear so. No-one who is competent at physics (say to middle school level) would say so.

Elroch
noodles2112 wrote:

The theory of Gravity just like heliocentric theory have NEVER been proven.

The scientific method merely requires that every single time it is tested it is successful. That is the current status, and there is no factual basis for disagreeing with it.

They are merely accepted theories that have been shoved down our throats since birth.

No. To someone unable to follow the scientific reasoning and who was too arrogant to understand the significance of their own incompetence that would appear so. No-one who is competent at physics (say to middle school level) would say so.

Let me use an analogy you should understand. Someone who loses to Scholar's mate makes proclamations about a difficult tactic that differ from what all the GMs and engines say. Which of the views should we believe?

noodles2112

You know as well as I that heliocentrism is not science......it is pseudoscience. 

In order to achieve this colossal hoax it would be necessary to usurp science with pseudoscience and call it sciencewink.png 

 

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Elroch
noodles2112 wrote:

You know as well as I that heliocentrism is not science......it is pseudoscience.

No. Unlike you, I understand scientific reasoning.

To claim I share your incompetence is an inappropriate insult.

 

noodles2112

then give me a compare/contrast of science/pseudoscience. 

I have asked this question numerous times  and  long ago in OD before they silenced me the first time.....and yet I have NEVER gotten an answer. 

Now don't go so far as to say I was insulting you. Over the years you have insulted me as well as those you deem to be your equals ...............more times than I can count! 

Elroch

Science uses the scientific method.

This includes:

  1. having a model of real-world behaviour
  2. making predictions using that model
  3. testing those predictions against new observations

If the predictions ever fail for adequate quality observations, the scientific method tells you that if your observations are correct, your model needs to be improved. This is a rare event for mature sciences (eg there have been exactly two successful established theories of gravity in scientific history. Newton's lasted for about 250 years, then was discovered to be an approximation to a more precise theory found by Einstein, which is still good enough for all experimental data.

For example, it can use the observed angular locations and angular velocities of all of the objects in the Solar System, come up with inferred 3-dimensional positions, velocities and masses (those that provide consistent behaviour to what has been observed), then predict the future  angular positions of the same objects.

This worked for all the planets and moons of the Solar System when Newton's theory of gravity was used, with one exception. The orbit of Mercury was observed to precess by 43 arc seconds per century, a small but clearly observable amount.

Einstein's theory of General Relativity - which approximates to Newton's at low energy - predicted exactly the observed precession for the fastest moving planet. It also predicted a much smaller precession for Venus which was confirmed by all precise later observations.

That's SCIENCE.

Time for you to spout some nonsense to feel better.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

Science uses the scientific method.

it tries to...but it can suffer s/t's from confirmation bias. so its tricky.

DB Elrock ?..u hijacker...lol !

noodles2112

using the scientific method as you say todays scientists do..................... then why can't they make water stick to a spinning wobbling blasting into oblivion ball ..........and prove heliocentric theory Once for All? 

Or do they "Randomly".................... assume..................or postulate............that water............................... only sticks........................................ to very.......................... Big Ballswink.png 

BCchessnut

".... then why can't they make water stick to a spinning wobbling blasting into oblivion ball"

 

Who says they can't?

 

noodles2112

Science does. 

Elroch

Science does indeed explain this without much difficulty. But the following explanation is as useful to the likes of @noodles2112 as a book on rook endings is to a goldfish.

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Imagine making a scale model of the Earth to emulate gravity and the effects of rotation. Obviously, you need to locate it in free fall to remove much bigger forces. Key to making it scale correctly are:

  1. Gravitational force scales with the radius (density remaining the same) (this is because the mass goes up like the cube, but the inverse square law for the radius reduces it to linear)
  2. Centrifugal force scales with the product of the radius and the square of the rate of rotation (cycles per day, say)

As a consequence, you would obviously need to locate it in free fall, then you would need to keep the same angular frequency to make the ratio of the gravitational force and the centrifugal force the same.

Thus, say you made a model of the Earth with a radius 1/1000 that of the Earth, you would need to rotate it just once per day.

It does not seem too difficult to believe the truth that water would stay on the surface of this spherical asteroid (radius ~6km) due to gravity.

noodles2112

your right.........not difficult at all.............................................to believewink.png 

Elroch

That makes no sense. There are many peer reviewed experiments.

noodles2112

Like Foucault's Pendulum wink.png

The truth is that heliocentric theory has never been proven nor was it ever meant to be and even Newton stated "his theory of gravity" could never be proven.

It is a theory with never ending theories.......that was the point of the theory. 

Every scientific experiment intended to prove the earth moves failed and indirectly proved the exact opposite i.e. the earth does not move. 

Michelsen/Morely, Sagnac, Airey's failure etc. 

Elroch

There are dozens of science museums around the world where you can personally observe a Foucault's pendulum experiment working.

I have done so in the UK, and you can in the US as well.

What daft response have you to that?