Elroch and Opti are bound up in the works of duality. If not predetermined must be random. If the world was not created it must have happened by chance. Origins all started with a beginning. Something either had a cause or not.
Easy to get stuck in the mud, endlessly spinning the wheels. Especially so since neither of the dualities expressed are descriptive of the real world.
Tbh, it looks like you've been discussing randomness without having the faintest idea of what it is, so try answering my little question in the previous post rather than shooting off about things that seem a bit on the random side, to be honest. If you genuinely think about it, all should come clear. If you don't, it won't.
Incidentally, if you're interested in duality, categorising Elroch and me as trite and whatever is being caught in the meshes of dualism and it's the epitome of black/white thinking. I'd normally call it thick but the watchword of the day is "nice".
Incidentally, the universe didn't happen by chance and it wasn't created, because it created itself and if you had actually read a post or two I've written, you'd know that's what I think. ![]()
Randomness being defined as something that can’t be predicted.
All I can dooo is briefly shake the ole noggin. How trite. Such limited thinking leads exactly to this point.
Can we talk about specifics, such as a series of events? The events could be almost anything, like the chances of meeting a girl you like (and whose daddy is rich) at the local monastery. It's just as easy to call them numbers and the numbers could stand for any type of events.

So, we can have a series of events, such as the days of the week. In their normal order, they aren't random. If they were random, we'd be confused. So what would a random series of weekdays look like? Once you had got past the normal MTWTFSS order, and noted that wasn't being followed, but the girl you met at the monastery asked you out and said "meet me on Wednesday at the bend in the river nearest where the Font flows into the Wansbeck at one minute past midnight, and bring a spare fast horse", you'd need to predict which day was going to be Wednesday, right? So you look for patterns in the list of days of the week that have happened so far to try to pinpoint the next Wednesday. And you don't find any pattern at all nor any way to predict it. So you go to the local university mathematics department, which is in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, and it's a good mathematics department they have there, and you ask them. They set their finest minds and finest computers to work immediately but they can't help you.
Why is that?