Does True Randomness Actually Exist? ( ^&*#^%$&#% )

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I guess, you were talking 'bout me since I posted right after king. Actually, I've been here all along, and usually I don't post here cuz I don't have anything constructive to contribute~ just keep my lips zipped most of the time.  

I do follow other threads in a similar fashion-- the science of biological evolution & the global warming one. I just read the posts and links in those threads without ever posting in them. Kinda like a shadow...

I, too, have virtually nothing constructive to contribute, especially since this forum's diverted from the OP's subject. Oh well.

Opti, silver and Elroch are the only male members on his friends list. All others are pics of pretty shirts. He is constantly stalking woman in the threads where I’ve seen. Never engaging in discussion but thinking he’s impressing the ladies with platitudes. I don’t respect such behavior combined with the total disrespect of hacking this thread. Some look the other way, don’t care while others (unbelievably) give encouragement . It’s not that they are interested in the writing but merely to lend support of bad trolling.

A shame as there are traces of new and perhaps interesting posts being made on topic. Seen a new  contributor of the last month since king has been here ? No. Nobody would invest with the personal agenda on display.

...and s/t else that bothers me. why do they allow punt in american football ? seems not right. i mean why would they waste a offensive play to make a defensive one ? doesnt make sense.

"..since this forum's diverted from the OP's subject. Oh well."

i think that if you take QM for face value and strip it from all interpretations, beliefs, and other magical features we apply to it, youll end up with a big question mark about the true behavior of the physical world (particles). and if you believe that causality is absolute, i cant see any good reason to think that QM is not deterministic.

because this concept goes against the grain of everything we've been told about QM, i think its a good idea for me to pause here, and see how it goes. (and no. this doesn't mean that i believe in determinism)

The concept is simplistic- elegant. 
Simplicity by is nature hides/conceals it’s own nature. 
The concept that QM displays deterministic properties by definition- and that determinism is a false concept - works for me. In fact been saying this all along. 
The idea is not contradictory.

You were on his list Opti, same for Elroch. Gone now. At one time you must have unwittingly given permission. The dude has an agenda and plays all sorts of sneaky games. Anyway enough- hopefully he’s gone.

Using an analogy - the disappearing handkerchief illusion.

Show the trick for people over a very young age and if it’s not figured out straight away where the h/c went  (extremely rare)- they will never figure it out in a lifetime of thought. Their thought processes are to well conditioned of how the world works.

Show the trick to 5/6 year olds and quite a few instantly can provide the answer. They did not actually “see” the effect - but intuitively know where it is - as there exists but a single possibility.

That possibility is so simplistic in its nature that conditioned logic never sees the light.

"The concept is simplistic- elegant."

i think its more than that.. its kinda factual. and thats what set it apart from the bias concepts. but the real problem is that if matter behave deterministically, and you believe in matterialsm, naturalism, or whatever(the belief that life=matter=QM systems), then there's basically no escape from determinism. 

to me this belief deviate way too far from our human experience.

Q.. i saw this guy and he was holding things in the air.. kinda like his hands have magnetism or whatever. hows he doing it? i couldn't see any 'invisible lines' attached to it, and he was right in front of me, with short sleeves

Hey ! I practically spelled out the solution. (But I’d make a small wager you had prior knowledge) Mohammed Ali gave away the secret on national tv  in his interview with Castro But it’s highly frowned upon in magic circles to publically disclose. Perhaps you would consider editing ? 
Like I said adults can figure it out when open minded and not stuck in bias or posses a “conditioned” frame of reference.
The answer to the 2nd - you answered it yourself.

Hint: because somethings are not seen does not mean they are not there. It’s the only logical explanation- yes?

the marvels of modern technology 

Opti - the 1st clue is the profile pic that of an over muscled Zeus supporting the world on his shoulders. The username followed directly in profile description by “ Hail to the King” . 

David Blaine walks the strip in Vegas- levitating at will surrounded by awestruck crowds.

and nobody but nobody sees a thing- unless they knew where to look. 

That's a misnomer to say “where”. Rather it’s more of “at”.

A neat explanation for magicians when asked how is it done is-

Wires - it’s all done with wires. Neat and tidy -not to believed as no wires are ever seen (inches away) . So the magician is telling the truth and thought to be deflecting some other real explanation. ☝️

Ever be looking for something and not see it ... and it becomes known later on you had looked directly at it several times when found? (wasn’t where expected)

"it’s highly frowned upon in magic circles to.."

ok. just because you seem to be into the magic circles integrity.. if you can do the same and delete the slander, or at least halt, even tho you believe that your re doing the right thing it would be rad. but if you use this to do more of the same it will be rot.

and i hear you about flying above heads.. ive seen the results lately and learned my lesson. i hope

Has he deleted all his friends in response to comments earlier in this thread?

No. Incorrect. Check the list yourself. He came here and early on requested to be friends with most posters in the thread. Perhaps he’s left and deleted them. It,s just kinda spooky for 90% of so called friends to sport pics of  nothing but young attractive woman.

sillver1 - I have practiced and been an entertainer for the art for quite some time.

I perform close-up. Specialty table - wear a bright red madras sport coat  🤠

A few routines I can call exclusively my own but mostly cards, coins slight of hand stuff.

Keep your eyes on your pieces if we were to play a game of chess !

The topic is - True randomness 

and not randomness- which is far easier to define and qualify. The OP was misguided, imo, to associate dice with T/R.

There has been much discussion of a definition - 

For myself randomness can be defined and explained with scientific terms - observations and measurements.

True randomness is philosophical- it can never be proven yet lies at the very core of personal beliefs/ a persons world view.

If it was asked does randomness exists the thread would have died on the 1st page. Adding one term “true” makes for the lively discussion and differences of opinion.

In the Title !

Although the OP may not have had in mind any difference.