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MustangMate wrote:

COVID is just starting, believe it or not. The virus is trying to take hold. The world is full of fools. Spreading as if an uphill wildfire in my rural community.

I'm 69 and naturally irresponsible but most of the people I know are in the 50 to 90 age range and I Don't want to kill them so I take it seriously and my son does too because his wife is a hospital doctor in charge of a ward with covid patients and he's 33, but a lot of people his age and younger have, I suspect, an instinctive antipathy towards their own lives suffering in order to keep old people alive and I sort of see their point. Don't be too surprised if it starts to look like some people are deliberately spreading it. When I was young I took a lot of risks in many directions and if younger people are suppressed much longer I think there might be a backlash.

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MustangMate wrote:

 

If you knew you were going to die tomorrow-

would you change?

I would try to change the outcome of tomorrow, by thought, basically. I can direct my thoughts towards people and heal them. I've been able to do it all my life. By thinking calming thought full of quiet energy it is possible to sort out someone's bodily functions so they work better and don't cause them distress. At another point in my life I could see through solid objects and see auras and, well, you name it, but I rejected all these things to some extent because seeing truth .... seeing what is .... is perhaps the most important ability that exists. To some extent I can influence situations in the world too so I would hope I could influence THAT situation for the better! happy.png

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Prove that scientifically!

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i wonder how The King is gonna do Q ?

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🤣

....... lol what letter did you come to when that idea ‘first’ popped up for you to drop after P? 

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Sillver1 wrote:

stands for oreo cookies.. didnt get some for a while, not sure if i even remember how they taste like.. lol

hows your coast line look like now? those small towns along the coast hwy.. are they shut from the covid or are they back to normal kinda?

A few days ago back on July 1st our Governor made mask wearing mandatory state wide, whereas before it was just in several counties. Meaning basically all places of business, enforced by OSHA

I believe it's a thousand dollar fine if caught without. Heard all this second hand at the shooting range a few days back, but I believe it to be credible. Got myself a heavy duty soft cloth mask, e-z  p-z.

Depending on how you travel though, you should be just fine.

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                      Q

Is to question; to question dogma, question ideology, question outside authority. It is only by questioning what people take for granted, what people hold to be true, that we can break through the hypnosis of social conditioning

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Lol is that a question? 

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Boom!

The truth about "helping others"

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A few months ago we ran a survey in one of the businesses I consult for, trying to find out what their customers and prospects (who were interested in making money) wanted most. The results were rather remarkable.

A large number of the people who responded said they just wanted to "help people." The interesting thing was, most of them had indicated in a previous question that the were dead-butt broke, and had no resources and little knowledge. Yet, they wanted to help people.

I hear the same thing on this list--a guy (who's unemployed, broke and going nowhere in life) meets a woman (usually a stripper or an escort) and wants to "help her" because she really is a "good person."

On the surface, the desire to "help" sounds noble, but when you dig a little deeper, you find that it can be a very dangerous concept. Why?

First off, to be in the position to truly help somebody you must be able to help yourself first. Most people I know who babble about wanting to help people have serious issues they need to overcome, and use their "wanting to help" as a reason to avoid dealing with these issues. The desire to "help" can actually be personally harmful if it is used to avoid self improvement.

The second reason is this: most people have no clue what it takes to truly help someone. Their idea of "help" is to give them something, whether it is money, time, or advice. Giving someone something without compensation on their part is a complete waste of time, and is an extremely selfish thing to do.

Selfish? Yes, selfish. Here's why: if you simply give someone something without asking for some form of compensation in return, it makes you feel good, makes you feel... superior. People love to talk about how many people they "helped" yet all they did was give away something to make themselves feel good.

See, when you give someone something without return compensation, there's no "commitment and consistency present." Because they didn't compensate you, there's no commitment on there part, and no reason for them to engage in new behavior. Commitment and consistency is a huge psychological lever (see Cialdini, "Influence: The Pyschology of Persuasion"), and it is the way you change beliefs. If you don't change someone's beliefs you can't truly help them because they'll keep doing the same old things and getting the same old results. Behavior is a result of beliefs.

That's why giving someone something uncompensated is so deadly--instead of changing old beliefs, it reinforces them, diminishing their self image because they took an unearned hand out. When you require compensation, they're requesting, they're earning the help, and when someone earns something it elevates their self image, and changes beliefs.

Here's an interesting thing: when you start telling people who want to "help" the truth about what it really takes to help people, they don't like it at all. They resist it. Why? One, because requesting compensation (and enforcing it) is hard work, even stressful work. Two, because it takes away their feeling of superiority--now their "help" has been reduced to an even exchange of value, and that's something that feels good... but not superior.

Starting a business and requiring compensation for your products and services is one of the best ways to truly help people, and the more you charge, the more you help them. Most of my success stories come from guys who have invested in several of my products and taken action, few come from guys who just get the free newsletter. Why? Commitment and consistency, coupled with a healthy self image on the part of the action takers.

The truth is, I didn't really "help" my most successful students--I just provided them good information in return for compensation, and their mindsets and self images did the rest. But, that's what "true help" is... creating the conditions to allow others to help themselves.

So, next time you feel the urge to "help" someone, stop and ask yourself if you're willing to do what it takes to truly help them, or are you just looking to feel good. When you master the art of truly helping others, based on their outcomes and results of what they compensated you for, that's when you know you've become a success.

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'Depending on how you travel though, you should be just fine.'

thats cool. i need to be in brookings. and afterwards am thinking to take a nice drive to florens or yachats.

your Q quote is right on the money for TR. its funny how many people believe in it just because they been told so, and without ever questioning it for themselves. its even funnier when they claim that the belief in TR is based on science.

my 2c on #22.. there's some truth in it, but the bottom line is that its just wrong. i hope this wont rub you the wrong way. especially if youre into AR's.. lol. not sure if i should ask tongue.png

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@Sillver1, ok I accept it: you are 100% deterministic. Not a single bit of true randomness.

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First off, to be in the position to truly help somebody you must be able to help yourself first.

Reminds me of the movie Leaving Las Vegas (I think Nicolas Coppola and Elizabeth Shue).

and Cialdinis book is a wonderful one for blossoming rhetoricians happy.png . tho have read only pieces.

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Hmm, don't remember that one. I vaguely remember 'Fear and loathing in Las Vegas' though.

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its about a young extreme SA (alc*h*l) and a pr*st*t*te. if ur gonna watch it make sure ur in the mood for a seedy downer. the ending wuz kinda disappointing for me. in that it felt not quite convincing.

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KingAxelson wrote:

Boom!

The truth about "helping others"

it makes you feel good, makes you feel... superior. People love to talk about how many people they "helped" yet all they did was give away something to make themselves feel good.

See, when you give someone something without return compensation, there's no "commitment and consistency present." Because they didn't compensate you, there's no commitment on there part, and no reason for them to engage in new behavior. Commitment and consistency is a huge psychological lever (see Cialdini, "Influence: The Pyschology of Persuasion"), and it is the way you change beliefs. If you don't change someone's beliefs you can't truly help them because they'll keep doing the same old things and getting the same old results. Behavior is a result of beliefs.

That's why giving someone something uncompensated is so deadly--instead of changing old beliefs, it reinforces them, diminishing their self image because they took an unearned hand out. When you require compensation, they're requesting, they're earning the help, and when someone earns something it elevates their self image, and changes beliefs.

Here's an interesting thing: when you start telling people who want to "help" the truth about what it really takes to help people, they don't like it at all.

Hello, there was a lot of that .... too much if the truth be known; and although you hit on some psychological realities, I felt you rather overblew them and made too much of them. I can help you express yourself better and more concisely, help with the odd literacy problem and generally the whole logical and spiritual focus. My reward won't be great. $100 per hour, your money?

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Elroch wrote:

Prove that scientifically!>>

I'm happy that I've proved it scientifically to myself, using various trials and comparisons, which have scientific sounding names. That's all that's necessary. I did a few demonstrations back in the day for friends and I think that if someone is clairvoyant and doesn't really make a secret of it, and comes out with the odd thing, one would soon be rumbled if it was fake.

 

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Reposting nonsense to make a point it’s nonsense 📬

the general intelligence seen here in weeks gone by can’t hold a candle up to mayonnaise 🍯

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There isn't much that can beat a good mayonnaise but the shop-bought ones, full of chemicals and too much spice, are better left on the shelf, given to the poor or fed to the neighbour's cat if it makes a mess in your garden. 

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Optimissed wrote:
Elroch wrote:

Prove that scientifically!>>

I'm happy that I've proved it scientifically to myself, using various trials and comparisons, which have scientific sounding names. That's all that's necessary. I did a few demonstrations back in the day for friends and I think that if someone is clairvoyant and doesn't really make a secret of it, and comes out with the odd thing, one would soon be rumbled if it was fake.

 

Global fame and a permanent place in the history books awaits you if you can really prove it scientifically to convince demanding people.

Of course there is also huge potential benefit to the world (although this might be more limited if you were the only one with this superpower).

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Clairvoyance - described “as one who sees clearly”

Is real alright. Is happening every moment. Nothing extraordinary about extra sensory perception. The real question becomes one of tuning. Is the rare event to be in the right key. Get lucky one time, right place right time, and suddenly people become soothsayers. Problem becomes the difference between what’s in the mind vs reality.