Does True Randomness Actually Exist? ( ^&*#^%$&#% )

y not (:

https://youtu.be/WTsinsfY6dk

..sooo happy this threads moving again...thx HiHo !!

you know, still didn’t make it to colombia. been twice to peru but wasn’t allowed in the land of troubles.. lol. is life treating you well lately?

now i feel like saying something about TR, but it just too.. on topic. lol 

i know, i know.. lol. but i feel like a leprechaun today.. and want to stash this definition before i forget it.. blame determinism for the sake of objectively.. lol

“True-randomness is the type of randomness that is not produced by a deterministic process.“

Everything has a Causation... so Its casually linked back to the big bang.

So I guess if you wanna have a very Stricti definition of randomness then its gaps in casualty EVEN MORE its the LACK OF ANY GOVERNING LAWS including the laws of math and logic itself so you get "True" randomness

...yes. sooo true. s/o who was jealous tried to steal it.

‘Everything has a Causation... so Its casually linked back to the big bang. So I guess if you wanna have a very Stricti definition of randomness then its gaps in casualty..’

i feel kinda trespassing, but here goes anyways..

my definition is not a good one, and can be improved, but i think it’s sufficient for anyone that familiar with the concept of causal determinism to understand. as well as its the correct context for this thread. 

if you prefer to define TR in terms of causality rather than determinism, that’s fancy. but there’s no need to go as far as talking about gaps in causality and such, that’s sound a bit like magic

you can simply say that “TR is the process of divergent causality” or something.. i’m not the right person to ask for the correct wording, but by “divergent causality” i mean a situation where a single cause can lead to multiple possible outcomes or effects, rather than a deterministic relationship between cause and effect.

say it differently, i think that causality is solid and shouldn’t be violated regardless if determinism or indeterminism turn out to be true.

maybe if i catch statler and waldorf in a tranquil mood they will help with the definition.. lol. sound like a bad idea, but.. oh well, not my first..

https://youtu.be/ABRL8-tPXPc

i think this belongs here

https://catholicscientists.org/videos/randomness-in-quantum-phenomena-2/

I may read the OP after responding to the Que in title, but I may not.

Yes, randomness exists all over the place. There is a machine manufactured to mimic the same. True story.

Much more common is corruption but randomness does in fact exist.

As an example, my computer (telephone) is manufactured and the systems within should ALWAYS begin a sentence with a capital letter. Around half the time it DOES NOT. This is just one example of many. The computer has been corrupted, I assure you; this is not random.

lol

let’s give gtp a shot.. “Please explain to kids why the status of determinism is underdetermined”

GTP:”Hey there, kids! Imagine you're playing with a toy car on a track. Determinism is like saying that if you give the car the same push every time, it will always go in the same direction and at the same speed. It's like a predictable pattern.

Now, let's talk about something interesting called "underdetermined." It's like having a mystery or a puzzle where you don't have enough clues to know exactly what's going to happen. In the case of determinism, it's underdetermined because even though we know a lot about how things work, there are still some things we don't know for sure.

Imagine your toy car has a hidden button that sometimes makes it speed up, sometimes makes it slow down, and sometimes even changes its direction a little bit. Even if you give it the same push every time, because of this hidden button, it might not always follow the same path. So, even though we have lots of information about how things usually work, there could still be some surprises or unknown things that affect what happens.

In the big world of science and philosophy, some really smart grown-ups are still trying to figure out if everything is always predictable like determinism suggests, or if there are some hidden things that can make things less predictable. So, the status of determinism being underdetermined means we're still trying to solve the puzzle and understand exactly how everything works together.

Just like you might not always know where your toy car will go if it has a hidden button, scientists and thinkers are exploring to see if there are hidden factors that can change how things happen in our universe. It's like a big adventure to discover more about the amazing world we live in!”

me: ‘the hidden button analogy is too confusing. how about replacing it with environmental randomness, such as the toy car travel over a carpet or something which cause random variables?”

GTP: “Of course, I understand! Let's use the carpet and random variables to explain why the status of determinism is underdetermined.

Imagine you have a cool toy car, and you're racing it on a track at home. Determinism is like saying that if you push the car in the same way every time, it will go the exact same distance and speed every single race. It's like knowing exactly what will happen each time you race.

Now, let's talk about something called "underdetermined." Sometimes, even though we know a lot about how things usually work, there can be factors we don't know about that can make things a little unpredictable. Imagine if your toy car races on a track, but this time the track goes over a bumpy carpet. The carpet adds some randomness to the race. Sometimes the car might go a tiny bit faster when it hits a smoother spot on the carpet, and sometimes it might slow down a little when it hits a bumpier part.

Because of this bumpy carpet, even if you give the car the same push each time, it might not always finish the race in the exact same way. This randomness from the carpet is like a puzzle piece we don't fully understand yet. Scientists are like detectives, trying to figure out how much this randomness really affects the races and whether there are other hidden factors we haven't discovered.

So, when we say the status of determinism is underdetermined, it means we're still exploring and trying to solve the mystery of how much predictability there is in the world. Just like your toy car on the bumpy carpet, sometimes there are surprises or unknown things that can make things a little less predictable, and that's what makes science so exciting and full of new discoveries!“

https://youtu.be/j-fWDrZSiZs?si=iloysJIRPeWS5No1

There are only two places randomness can occur

1. In acts of free will or
2. In quantum indeterminable behavior 

Both may exist, and may have effects on one another. I find free will to be an inherently plausible concept, and I don’t know enough about (2) to make a judgement on a theory of interpreting quantum mechanical laws

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