Does True Randomness Actually Exist? ( ^&*#^%$&#% )

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to check equal counts, try replacing the ‘ands’ with chained ‘==’ like this..


if loopy["Snake Eye"] == loopy["2"] == loopy["3"] == loopy["4"] == loopy["5"] == loopy["6"]:


..also instead of jumping to 12B i’d start with just 6 or a dozen rolls and build your way up cause it should become very rare very quick

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lemme build in a tracer to find out at what count the (6) numbers WERE equal. seems to reason that the higher the sample count the lower the prob to parity. not sure.

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so...i did it. this is my result (for 12MM rolls):

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10307262
6578 All the Same

Counter({'6': 2002514, '3': 2002176, '4': 1999478, 'Snake Eye': 1999106, '2': 1998641, '5': 1998085})
10.49 seconds

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...with the random sample #10,307,262 being the very last RNG'ed that found parity. dividing this by (6) ?...we get 1,717,877 for each of the (6) numbers after such try.

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if loopy["Snake Eye"] == loopy["2"] == loopy["3"] == loopy["4"] == loopy["5"] == loopy["6"]:

[...] it should become very rare very quick

SOOO TRUE !! ...TY hiho ! ...i feel its ~65/1 to get the combination (not permutation) 1,2,3,4,5,6 in any order in the first (6) rolls. iows, "6/6 x 5/6 x 4/6 x 3/6 x 2/6 x 1/6" i tink meh

plz check my math ?...thx ! L♥

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1 in 65 sounds about right.

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i bleeve its (d!)/((d/6)!)^6 // 6^d = [wanted outcomes // possible outcomes] = odds of getting 123456 or 11,22,33,44,55,66 or 111,222,333,444,555,666 etc.

with: d = # of dice

so if (6) dice ? ...then 6!/1 // 6^6 = ~1/65

or if (12) dice ? ...then 12!/2^6 // 6^12 = ~1/291

...and on & on & on we roll .

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so if u do 12MM rolls tryn4parity ?... im getting that the odds are converging towards some kinda eulers # thingy...e^(-1))*100 or ~1 in 37. so in one a those rolls ? ...u will make parity one time every 37 tries in at least one roll. with the very last roll being 12MM dice lol ! (uhhh were gonna need a bigger dicebox shaker)

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lol. a bigger dicebox and a whole lot of patience, literally more than the age of the universe..

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if my combinatorics (binomial coefficient) arithmetic (i.e. using my toes lol !) serves me (as it s/t's doesnt) for the very last 12MM'th roll I get:

12,000,000!/2,000,000!(^6) // 6^12,000,000 = odds to get exactly 2MM 1's, 2MM 2's, 2MM 3"s, etc.

WAY too big/way too big // also way too big

...owell ::/ (im wearing my glasses)

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más o menos 4.37x10⁻¹⁸ or say 1 in 2.29x10¹⁷

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i oopsied...its wasnt 2,000,000^6 (upper demoninator) its 2,000,000 !(^6)

not really sure which big # calculator ur using ?...but wow !!

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Maybe there is only 1 timeline

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And no randomness

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i sooo hope not. only cuz that makes me feel guilty a my dumdum choices...

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Miin1500 wrote:

Maybe there is only 1 timeline, and no randomness

what do you mean? like super determinism? that’s sabine’s flavor of choice..

https://youtu.be/HLclvXEJypY?t=1545

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Maybe there is no deyerminism for us, but somehow everything is predicted or run by alien supercomputers. Idk, who knows.

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Miin1500 wrote:

Maybe there is no deyerminism for us, but somehow everything is predicted or run by alien supercomputers. Idk, who knows.

i think what you’re saying is that despite the randomness we observe, the universe might be deterministic. If that’s what you meant, it’s absolutely a valid view.

although.. aren’t you a bit young to think about things like this?

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Depends on your definition of randomness
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DrakonicStriker_017 wrote:
Depends on your definition of randomness

“True-randomness is the type of randomness that is not produced by a deterministic process.”

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So only if quantum superposition is actually real