What have the Visigoths done for us lately?
France
this Frenchbasher guy is the kiddy! ( oops the urban dictionary may not have a correct reference for this yet, it means he is the dooooooood! )
Visi : just done today spaniards, then stopped history.
Ostro : GOTHS , give gothics, and most of holiday people in Marbella, Ibiza, and San Juan de Luz (France).
Goth, They had vacation too 1940-1944 and USA future tourists fired them in ...... NORMANDY.
pulpo is right : without Sarrazins, Al andaluz women would have different look, and character too.
Without Roman, without Gaulois, no frenchies alike, may be more like Barbarians (rugby instead of futbol soccer).
this Frenchbasher guy is the kiddy!
Genau , gnädiges Mature Fraülein, danke schön. Willkommen für Mature Goth, alles gute. Brave in France lieben Mature Goth.
In Normandy, we have the brave Rollon : 911 , not a Porsche but birth of .... NORMANDY.
Rollon : the bravest WINNING guy of history before 1000.
A mig, as usual, coming from ... Norway. A brave VIKING, becoming french in Saint Clair treaty. Normandy fro him, peace for us.
ROLLON DRAKKAR

ROLLON IN ROUEN NORMANDY 5* CITY

ROllON - >> William ,F, alias, Normandy, F
6 years old, the most powerful man in France, duke the wealthiest, ie most power than KING of France.
But he wants to be king, he brings his people and go to Hastings 1066 , defeats Harold king of England and become :
William the Conqueror, king of England.

Without him, just Saxon dynasty, considered as barbarians.
The bravest french guy became king of England.
God bless UK, too.
The bravest french guy became king of England.
God bless UK, too.
And then this happened against the French Navy in 1940
Was it necessary?? By the way: HMS Hood was part in the attack...Then Bismarck revenged the French and blow HMS Hood to pieces...

Mers El Kebir, after Dunkerque, and Toulon , that was the worse hours of our "Royale", our Navy.
UK had to bring back troops, to avoid capture of fleet in Mediteranean. Churchill was happy to diminish de Gaulle too, preparing the "after war".
Didi answer properly ?
Mers El Kebir, after Dunkerque, and Toulon , that was the worse hours of our "Royale", our Navy.
UK had to bring back troops, to avoid capture of fleet in Mediteranean. Churchill was happy to diminish de Gaulle too, preparing the "after war".
Didi answer properly ?
I think so 
Only one ACC, maintenance makes us depending on OTAN. which means : USA. 10+ ACC.
without reserve cooconing in San Diego and Cheasapeake bases.
New class Gerald Ford. coming 2016
To make it easy :
one Gerald Ford aircraft carrier = two charles de Gaulle
+25% length and +25% speed; etc ...
US San Diego base alone : more than 20000 employees.
F or UK : All marine staff in a whole : 36000.
France the Brave needs total frienship of allied, obviously.
de Gaulle's Son was brave not only being admiral, but to be son of Charles de Gaulle himself was not easy, especially in France. US are accustomed to dynaties of beuatiful people, in France they say stupidly "this guy is at this place because of his father". If u know de Gaulle manner, you would say to be his son would be a handicap in any choice of life. Both were brave France.
France the Brave
Joan of Arc 1429 - 1431
In two years, six hundred years ago, she became the most french woman known everywhere. Without her, no France, because the king himself Charles VII, didn't want to be king!
She is hated by french atheists 'cause roman catholics made her "holy", most of english and british because she had an obsession "put the Anglois out of France". And succeded, frenchies don't like success, truth, see above.
To avoid tchador, today 40% of frenchies think she can be some historical referent against terrorism, right wing. 40% want tchador authorized everywhere, 20% think burquini is better than bikini for free women ! In Kiribati, nobody really cares about, tide is up.
Unnumerous are legends, tales, for a real outstanding life.
she makes a king : Charles VII wanted NOT to be king. without Joan, no France.
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Just remarquable : starting her job, she is 17 years old!
It is a french Bourguignon, Chauson bishop, allied to english regent duke of Bedford, who condemned her to death as a witch for relapsing in wearing .... men's clothes !!!! (seems easier to win war).
Most important was to recognize the King. Close to my place, Chinon, Touraine.
Touraine is the Place to be for all today's british roayl family. Last week Prince Charlie said Touraine wine are the best. 75 years ago, the king who wanted not to be a UK king married in Touraine, etc ... Today entente cordiale, yesterday the longest war, hundred years in mankind history, after middle east(around 7000 years ??).
Welcome in Touraine, anybody, including UK GB All England, and Scotland. All friends of ... France.
Mick Jagger bought a Chateau de la Loire. He is at home.
France the Brave
eleven thousand two hundred thirty six castle ! 11236
Famous one : CHAMBORD , F Loire,
Leonardo da Vinci (code) and Francois the First, Brave.







Yes, I understood it, but would he be what we know as a French? He could, but of course the idea of France would be a different one. How can you think on France without Romans and Francs?
This is a topic wich has a place here on Spain very often. Most people like to think Spain was conquered by Arabs, who later were expelled. Oh, no, sorry but no Spain without Arabs, like it wouldn't be without Romans and Visigoths. It would be something, but different.